Josh Coburn Next Season.......

What will his role be next season?

  • Starter

    Votes: 9 5.4%

  • 3rd or 4th choice rotation option

    Votes: 95 56.9%

  • Loaned out to L1

    Votes: 60 35.9%

  • Loaned out to L2

    Votes: 7 4.2%
  • Total voters
    167
I'd probably prefer loaning him out if only for his own development, because he definitely shouldn't be starting regularly for us yet.

Would like him to be a success here long term, and I think consistent game time in a lower division would help him greatly.

If he does stay, fair enough and I hope he continues to grab goals off the bench.
 
Anton_Berg said:
"A bird in the hand" etc
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Fair point and I can totally see the merits in keeping him around the squad as he does have a knack of coming off the bench to get goals. That being said, I hope our recruitment and team play in general is of a level that we don't require game saving tactics of hoying on 4 strikers at the same time to claw our way back into games as often as we did last season.
 
Half a season loan then see how it goes?

I'd definitely give him a chance to stake his claim in pre-season friendlies though. He might force Wilder's hand if he shines in them.
 
Anton_Berg said:
"A bird in the hand" etc
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The chance of him hitting it big enough to be first, second or even third pick, at 19 are slim, so he's nowhere near the "bird in the hand" stage yet, he's probably not even the "bird in the bush" stage. Obviously this is talking from a the perspective of an automatic promotion side, which is our aim.

I'd probably loan him out, but only after we've got our strikers in. Who knows, the incoming strikers may be great, and Coburn wouldn't get a sniff all year. We could even end up in the same situation as we're now in with Spence, where that loan is going to pay back big time, far more than he would have done here. I likely wouldn't be looking to sell Coburn though, if he had a good loan, as he's seemingly got a good attitude and strikers are harder to come by, then good enough wing backs.
 
What is this obsession with loaning players out? Loan him out to teams no better than our under 23’s, then when the chance of a lifetime comes through injury say, he misses it because he’s contracted to play for Timbuktu Rovers in the Weetabix cup on Tuesday night! The lad never lets us down and had far more memorable moments last season than the loanees we ended up with.
 
WoodallServices said:
What is this obsession with loaning players out? Loan him out to teams no better than our under 23’s, then when the chance of a lifetime comes through injury say, he misses it because he’s contracted to play for Timbuktu Rovers in the Weetabix cup on Tuesday night! The lad never lets us down and had far more memorable moments last season than the loanees we ended up with.
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We loaned spence out to Forest, and they're now in the Premier League. Peoples opinion of Coburn now is probably higher than Spence, when he left.

Our under 23's wouldn't beat a league 1 side, and of course would get hammered by a champo side.

He'd probably get more game time in the champo at another team, and would certainly get in a league 1 side, probably first pick. Playing 40 games/ 3000 minutes in front of fans will serve him better than 1000 minutes for us.

It's not the same as loaning out some 18 year old who has never played for the 1st team.

He didn't let us down, in so much that he was 3rd/ 4th choice in a team which was way short of promotion, and if you're happy with that again, then what you're saying makes sense.

Most would want us to be aiming much higher though, and be wanting two strikers with a proven record at least, to come in.

If Coburn was ready to start, lead the line and score 20 goals and link up well with the rest of the team/ strikers , and we get promoted, then yeah, get him in, but I don't think anyone think's he's at that level yet.

I rate the lad, but we can't hang our season on him, and need three better options ahead of him, to get promoted, which is the aim. If we don't aim for promotion this year, then what are we doing?
 
WoodallServices said:
What is this obsession with loaning players out? Loan him out to teams no better than our under 23’s, then when the chance of a lifetime comes through injury say, he misses it because he’s contracted to play for Timbuktu Rovers in the Weetabix cup on Tuesday night! The lad never lets us down and had far more memorable moments last season than the loanees we ended up with.
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Because playing regular first team football is widely accepted as the number 1 way to improve as a young footballer
 
Is he that good yet, like would he really be first choice at any League 1 side? League 1 is strong now and this lad hasn't proved much yet.

When he played for us it's not like he was head and shoulders above the other strikers on a consistent basis? The fact he couldn't hold down a starting spot ahead of the absolute pish we had at the club speaks volumes.

Yeah his goal v Spurs was excellent, and we saw glimpses with his movement and finishing but only glimpses, but i don't for a second think he's anywhere near good enough to be starting for us in a potential promotion season or even our first option from the bench. I really hope he doesn't believe his own hype or he's doomed already as there's people on here who expect him to be our top scorer or go away and come back worth 5x as much like Spence. It doesn't always happen, in fact it rarely happens.

I think he's a good prospect and think we should definitely loan him out, but he must start games and needs a year of consistency and not just coming off our bench.
 
Andy_W said:
We loaned spence out to Forest, and they're now in the Premier League. Peoples opinion of Coburn now is probably higher than Spence, when he left.

Our under 23's wouldn't beat a league 1 side, and of course would get hammered by a champo side.

He'd probably get more game time in the champo at another team, and would certainly get in a league 1 side, probably first pick. Playing 40 games/ 3000 minutes in front of fans will serve him better than 1000 minutes for us.

It's not the same as loaning out some 18 year old who has never played for the 1st team.

He didn't let us down, in so much that he was 3rd/ 4th choice in a team which was way short of promotion, and if you're happy with that again, then what you're saying makes sense.

Most would want us to be aiming much higher though, and be wanting two strikers with a proven record at least, to come in.

If Coburn was ready to start, lead the line and score 20 goals and link up well with the rest of the team/ strikers , and we get promoted, then yeah, get him in, but I don't think anyone think's he's at that level yet.

I rate the lad, but we can't hang our season on him, and need three better options ahead of him, to get promoted, which is the aim. If we don't aim for promotion this year, then what are we doing?
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Of course we’re aiming higher, but those who thing we’re going to get Gyokores in a bidding/lifestyle war with Fulham are living in cloud cuckoo land. Even if we unearth a
gem (please🙏) from somewhere we still haven’t got the money to have someone better than Coburn on the bench. If we stop making half arzed punts on loans who must play then Coburn would get more game time with us. DJed Spence is the exception where successful loans are concerned.
 
Season long loan to league 1 would be ideal. He needs to go somewhere and play 40 odd games and hopefully get himself 10-15 goals.

That would surely accelerate his development compared to coming on for the last 20 mins here and there… the end of a match is usually stretched and end to end, and completely different to actually starting a match when it’s tight and cagey. That’s the element of his game that needs the most improvement.

Option to recall in jan if he absolutely tears up the league.
 
WoodallServices said:
Of course we’re aiming higher, but those who thing we’re going to get Gyokores in a bidding/lifestyle war with Fulham are living in cloud cuckoo land. Even if we unearth a
gem (please🙏) from somewhere we still haven’t got the money to have someone better than Coburn on the bench. If we stop making half arzed punts on loans who must play then Coburn would get more game time with us. DJed Spence is the exception where successful loans are concerned.
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Gyokeres is a long shot, the only chance we have V Fulham would be game time assuming they only play one up top, or if they set their sights higher. Or we include a release clause, pretty much like what we had to do to land Traore.

I think Balogun was ok, but he needed more time and would have been more effective this year. He gets a game for England under 21's and Coburn doesn't even make the squad.

Spence was the only player we've loaned out recently who would have otherwise competed in our squad, most of the other relatively unsuccessful loans are players who are poor, or very young/ inexperienced. Coburn would get 20 goals in League 1, and probably 10 or so in the Championship, if he played every game at half decent sides, but I don't think that's enough for us for where we want to be. It's a shame he's not had another year experience as I think by then he would be good enough certainly for a first rotation spot on a Champo promotion side.
 
I am thinking and seeing a player who is over- hyped- in desperation to big him up beyond his talent presently. Maybe down to the dearth of strikers at our disposal? I don’t think he is first choice material for a Championship club. A spell in League One as others have suggested could be a good route to take.

Hopefully, he would be taught how to stay in a game for 90 minutes and add performances for a full game and not the short periods he has tended to show with us.
 
Andy_W said:
Gyokeres is a long shot, the only chance we have V Fulham would be game time assuming they only play one up top, or if they set their sights higher. Or we include a release clause, pretty much like what we had to do to land Traore.

I think Balogun was ok, but he needed more time and would have been more effective this year. He gets a game for England under 21's and Coburn doesn't even make the squad.

Spence was the only player we've loaned out recently who would have otherwise competed in our squad, most of the other relatively unsuccessful loans are players who are poor, or very young/ inexperienced. Coburn would get 20 goals in League 1, and probably 10 or so in the Championship, if he played every game at half decent sides, but I don't think that's enough for us for where we want to be. It's a shame he's not had another year experience as I think by then he would be good enough certainly for a first rotation spot on a Champo promotion side.
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I agree re Balogun and would give him another go but unfortunately it appeared to be Brighton who negotiated the best deal regarding Conolly playing every game.
 
WoodallServices said:
I agree re Balogun and would give him another go but unfortunately it appeared to be Brighton who negotiated the best deal regarding Conolly playing every game.
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He didn't play every game.

He played 19 of 21.
Starting 13 of them.
Playing 1,185 minutes, around 13 full games.

Balogun played 18 of 21.
He came off the bench for the first 4 games, and then started 9 of the final 14 games he featured in.
Playing 897 minutes, or around 10 full games.

Balogun scored 1 goal more, and looked to have more technical ability, but he was anonymous for most of his games here.
He was clearly still getting to grips with league.

As poor a signing as Connolly was, he did more than Balogun in most matches (a low bar), neither were great.

Still, I'd probably have Balogun back as an option, which is less than I think he'd accept, whilst I wouldn't go near Connolly again.
 
He’s a player we should look to develop ourselves as one of four striking options. He’s a big lad and he looks like he can finish his fair share of chances. I’ve seen enough to think he should be an important part of the first team next season.
 
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