Johnson spinning his illness

kuepper

kuepper

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If it carries on like this the only person ever to come out of hospital fatter than they went in will be saying he actually died and was resurrected. He was taken to hospital in the first place 'as a precaution' .He was transferred to intensive care 'as a precaution'. He was never actually ill enough to be put on a ventilator yet claims he was at death's door even though we were told he was in good spirits and doing sudokus as well as working through his red boxes. It's all about him exaggerating his illness and bloating his ego, not the 000s of needless deaths he's been responsible for by doing too little too late.
 
He had all of the scientific expertise on the virus and its transmission and still managed to catch it. What aren't we bring told?
 
Perhaps he had happy hypoxia?

A very strange physiology seems to be using place in some patients. 75% oxygen levels usually leads to unconsciousness, but people presenting themselves to A&E with levels as low as 50%.
Happy hypoxia baffles doctors
 
bear66 said:
Perhaps he had happy hypoxia?

A very strange physiology seems to be using place in some patients. 75% oxygen levels usually leads to unconsciousness, but people presenting themselves to A&E with levels as low as 50%.
Happy hypoxia baffles doctors
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Interesting dimension of Covid-19 but think it would have been spotted by one of the at least 4 doctors and 2 nurses involved attending him.
 
"!I'm happy he recovered from it so that his girlfriend isn't a single mum and his child has both parents to grow up with. "

You think he'll stick around that long? His track record isn't exactly stellar.
 
swordtrombonefish said:
"!I'm happy he recovered from it so that his girlfriend isn't a single mum and his child has both parents to grow up with. "

You think he'll stick around that long? His track record isn't exactly stellar.
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Its unfair for me to judge him on potential future actions. Maybe he's changed since his illness, who knows.
 
Personally, I think the underplaying of his illness was sensible at the time. There is a small matter of the economy and not spooking the markets and the people of the UK, enough mayhem already existed. You only had to see him just before and even a couple of weeks after how ill he looked. You dont go to an ICU bed on the off chance. Not even the PM gets that luxury.
Sometimes for the good of the country you have to paint a picture to keep things on an even keel, that may mean being economical with the truth. I would put good money that everyone on here, me included has used the same principle in their personal lives with either their employer and/or partner at some point.

Whilst I am no fan of him or his government, I really do not see him spinning this. It is merely the reality coming out and hopefully, just hopefully his experience will make him a touch more respectful of the NHS, public servants and the true value of carers and key workers moving forward. It would take a heart of stone to not do so. Lets hope he becomes a more humble man as a result rather than the hubris we are used to from him. Time will tell.
 
kuepper said:
Evidence of what? Just reported what we were told about his condition by Tony Hancock and Dominic Raab, they wouldn'y lie would they?
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Assuming you mean Matt, that's good point about lying. Everyone who thinks Johnson was at deaths door and isn't playing up the illness for political gain is, at best, incredibly naive.
 
coluka said:
Personally, I think the underplaying of his illness was sensible at the time. There is a small matter of the economy and not spooking the markets and the people of the UK, enough mayhem already existed. You only had to see him just before and even a couple of weeks after how ill he looked. You dont go to an ICU bed on the off chance. Not even the PM gets that luxury.
Sometimes for the good of the country you have to paint a picture to keep things on an even keel, that may mean being economical with the truth. I would put good money that everyone on here, me included has used the same principle in their personal lives with either their employer and/or partner at some point.

Whilst I am no fan of him or his government, I really do not see him spinning this. It is merely the reality coming out and hopefully, just hopefully his experience will make him a touch more respectful of the NHS, public servants and the true value of carers and key workers moving forward. It would take a heart of stone to not do so. Lets hope he becomes a more humble man as a result rather than the hubris we are used to from him. Time will tell.
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Coluka, whilst I would love to believe this of Johnson, I honestly believe he is a sociapath. He shows many of the traits of a sociapth. He doesn't seem to care about his fellow man, cheering when the NHS pay rise was defeated in parliament would be an example, surely no one would consider an average salary of 23,000 sufficient for a nurse who had graduated from university? He has a carefuly carved persona, designed to get what he wants. The bungling likeable fool - does nayone believe this? He is prepared to lie and cheat to get what he wants, "Oven ready deal" being just one example, 50,000 new nurses is another example. He clearly, during the last election, avoided the harsh scrutiny that was required, hiding in fridges or behind his schedule.

Is he lying about how poorly he was in hospital? I don't know, and I suspect not. Is he capable of spinning that? Absoloutely.

My main concern with Boris Johnson, and to a certain extent any privelliged member of parliament with a capitalistic ideology, is they are born to believe they, and others like them deserve their wealth, they are a people apart from the teacher claiming universal credit, the homeless man and the working man, paying taxes and just supporting his family.

A sociapath has a mental disorder, and it is very unlikely that anything will change due to "mild flu like symptoms".

Wouldn't it be great if, at huge cost, it must be said, we emerge from this crisis with a new sense of community and appreciation for those around us.

You and I Coluka, and the working class folk that inhabit this board, even the ones I argue with over political ideology, have a basic understanding and empathy with their fellow man. I am yet to be convinced that Johnson is even capable of empathy and is prgrammed to care, only for himself.
 
SmallTown said:
Assuming you mean Matt, that's good point about lying. Everyone who thinks Johnson was at deaths door and isn't playing up the illness for political gain is, at best, incredibly naive.
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I am not naive, not for one minute ta. Politicians lie, we know they all do at times. Sometimes for personal, sometimes political, but pictures do not lie. Those images of him clapping on the doorstep before he went in and his last video address before that showed a man everyone was thinking looked really ill. He was a fool not getting treatment sooner. On discharge a couple of weeks later giving his podium address, he still looked quite quite poorly still, it was clearly not an act.
I get most on here are not fans of him or the party, i am not myself, but papers are going to want to interview him. Of course the Government would have had to prepare in case he died, if they didn’t and he had, everyone would use it as another criticism. Governments should plan for several eventualities, a lesson this one has learned a little late in the day, granted.

He really can not win. If he says nothing, he is accused of holding back info that the public have a right to know, if he speaks out he is spinning.
The truth is people will always believe what suits their personal agendas and suits their own political narrative. He is here to stay, as is this Govt. for now so lets just roll with how things progress. Time will tell if it has or has not affected his thinking. We all need to hope it has. If it hasn’t then his verdict will be handed out by the people in a few years time.
 
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