Johnson spinning his illness

It is amzing that the fear of never seeing his baby gave him the strength to beat Covid. He just wanted it more.

The other six kids meh, but this one was a must see.
 
Laughing, I agree with much of what you say. All I am saying is it would, one would suggest impact for the better with most. Johnson is perhaps a little more of a liberal than many in his party. I agree he is not a man to be trusted, history tells us that, but maybe, just maybe some of his experience Of Covid-19 will affect his thinking moving forward. If he has overblown his illness to any degree I am sure things will leak out in time. The opposition are handling things well at present and not playing party politics.
 
I think this is a case where they actually underplayed his illness rather than they overplayed it. As Coluka said he didn't look well at all in the time preceding it and he took a considerable amount of time to get back to being in front of the camera. For someone who likes themselves being centre of attention like Boris then I think that shows that he was clearly more ill than they were letting on. There will have been undoubtedly more precautions taken. Not because he deserves special treatment but because the people caring for him don't want to be the centre of attention in any public inquest in to the death of the PM.

surely no one would consider an average salary of 23,000 sufficient for a nurse who had graduated from university?

That isn't the average salary. That is the starting salary which actually isn't bad as starting salaries go (now £25k). The problem is the average salary isn't great because there is very little progression in nursing. Most people don't get above a band 6 which tops out at £38k.
 
Coluka is right, he cannot win. I man with a long and storied history of lies and deceit to get him into power, why should anyone think he'd act any different when he gets into power. He's made a remarkable recover for one who was supposedly in ICU only a few week ago. Suggesting the illness has been up played because it's politically expedient for him to do so. You ARE naive if you think Johnson is anything other than a blustering, bombastic charlatan and that he has used his illness for political gain.
 
He has so many fooled. But then he is a very skilled, charismatic con-man which covers up his incompetence in other areas very effectively. We'll never really know how ill he was because you can't trust anything he says. There'll be elements of truth in amongst the lies, spin and exaggeration.

This anecdote from Jeremy Vine (certainly no left wing 'snowflake') is a good read and fascinating insight into how much of Boris' personality is all an act. Genius in its way.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my-boris-johnson-story
 
It is amzing that the fear of never seeing his baby gave him the strength to beat Covid. He just wanted it more.

The other six kids meh, but this one was a must see.
if only those other 28k people who have died had his drive and courage we wouldnt be in this mess.
 
Met a few like in my working life, you dont have to be rich nor have power to act in the way he does and these sort always seem to get peoples sympathy as Johnson knows how to play them. There are a few who he took for a mug but they seen through him. Heed their warning they felt ythe experience.

As for dying, I was dead for 2 minutes 2 years ago and then on a Heart and Lung machine during an operation, both my lungs and heart were shut down for 3 and a half hours.
I was back at work 16 weeks later and chatted to you everyday during the world cup:). It took away my fear of death, and the strangest thing was knowing I had little chance of making it but accepting it, a feeling of happiness inside on how fantastically lucky I was to have met and had been in the presence of some of the people who were in my life or who had been.
1 week fixing my injuries,4 days in ICU, 6 days in HDU and a week on the ward JCUH greatest people and place on the planet.

Right as rain now.
 
Personally, I think the underplaying of his illness was sensible at the time. There is a small matter of the economy and not spooking the markets and the people of the UK, enough mayhem already existed. You only had to see him just before and even a couple of weeks after how ill he looked. You dont go to an ICU bed on the off chance. Not even the PM gets that luxury.
Sometimes for the good of the country you have to paint a picture to keep things on an even keel, that may mean being economical with the truth. I would put good money that everyone on here, me included has used the same principle in their personal lives with either their employer and/or partner at some point.

Whilst I am no fan of him or his government, I really do not see him spinning this. It is merely the reality coming out and hopefully, just hopefully his experience will make him a touch more respectful of the NHS, public servants and the true value of carers and key workers moving forward. It would take a heart of stone to not do so. Lets hope he becomes a more humble man as a result rather than the hubris we are used to from him. Time will tell.

Great post
 
used his illness for political gain.
Whilst criticism is dismissed with "don't make this political"...

It IS political.

Interested to read that apparently the brother of Dominic Cummins has been awarded the contract to develope the tracking app for the NHS without tender and whilst refusing offers from Google and Apple to provide one...

Tories, thousands of deaths doesn't mean you shouldn't make money out of it?
 
Whilst criticism is dismissed with "don't make this political"...

It IS political.

Interested to read that apparently the brother of Dominic Cummins has been awarded the contract to develope the tracking app for the NHS without tender and whilst refusing offers from Google and Apple to provide one...

Tories, thousands of deaths doesn't mean you shouldn't make money out of it?
FFS they all píss in the same pot don’t they



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if only those other 28k people who have died had his drive and courage we wouldnt be in this mess.

I am sure many did.

People have all sorts of moments and thoughts that go through their heads in times of personal crisis. Lots of ordinary people say they found a kind of inner strength and genuinely believe it somehow helped them through their crisis. Unfortunately those that passed away can’t say either way. If people want to believe that some sort of epiphany happened, why not let them have that thought and feeling. If its real to them, good luck to them. Johnson, like it or not is just a human being, yes he is a proven liar, yes he comes across a selfish numbnut, yes he has years of baggage, but he has thoughts and feelings too, just like we all do. How does any of this really affect the country or its people?

I fail to see how his personal moment of danger will affect how the next election will turn out. It wont. He and his government will be judged then by the people, we can not do anything currently, so its his and their actions that count.
 
Johnson, like it or not is just a human being, yes he is a proven liar, yes he comes across a selfish numbnut, yes he has years of baggage, but he has thoughts and feelings too, just like we all do. How does any of this really affect the country or its people?
From his previous pattern of behaviour, I will take some convincing that his "thoughts and feelings" are anything other than for himself.

"How does any of this really affect the country or its people?"

He is dodging scrutiny, as Prime Minister he is making decisions every hour of every day that DO affect the country and its people. That is his job. And he is answerable to us all the time not just when he wants our votes.
 
I am not naive, not for one minute ta. Politicians lie, we know they all do at times. Sometimes for personal, sometimes political, but pictures do not lie. Those images of him clapping on the doorstep before he went in and his last video address before that showed a man everyone was thinking looked really ill. He was a fool not getting treatment sooner. On discharge a couple of weeks later giving his podium address, he still looked quite quite poorly still, it was clearly not an act.
I get most on here are not fans of him or the party, i am not myself, but papers are going to want to interview him. Of course the Government would have had to prepare in case he died, if they didn’t and he had, everyone would use it as another criticism. Governments should plan for several eventualities, a lesson this one has learned a little late in the day, granted.

He really can not win. If he says nothing, he is accused of holding back info that the public have a right to know, if he speaks out he is spinning.
The truth is people will always believe what suits their personal agendas and suits their own political narrative. He is here to stay, as is this Govt. for now so lets just roll with how things progress. Time will tell if it has or has not affected his thinking. We all need to hope it has. If it hasn’t then his verdict will be handed out by the people in a few years time.
beside he has at least half a dozen NHS staff who would contradict him if he was not telling the truth.
 
From his previous pattern of behaviour, I will take some convincing that his "thoughts and feelings" are anything other than for himself.

"How does any of this really affect the country or its people?"

He is dodging scrutiny, as Prime Minister he is making decisions every hour of every day that DO affect the country and its people. That is his job. And he is answerable to us all the time not just when he wants our votes.

Well talk about moving the goalposts on my comments and their context lol. You know very well I was talking about his reliving of his illness and talking about how he dealt with it. What scrutiny is he dodging In doing that? Of course his thoughts about it were selfish and personal, would yours not be in similar circumstances? You would be thinking about your personal situation and your family and wanting to be back with them too i am sure. He was not working when he was admitted or during his hospitalisation. I am sure you would not be thinking about your colleagues or clients in such a scenario.
 
I think this is a case where they actually underplayed his illness rather than they overplayed it. As Coluka said he didn't look well at all in the time preceding it and he took a considerable amount of time to get back to being in front of the camera. For someone who likes themselves being centre of attention like Boris then I think that shows that he was clearly more ill than they were letting on. There will have been undoubtedly more precautions taken. Not because he deserves special treatment but because the people caring for him don't want to be the centre of attention in any public inquest in to the death of the PM.



That isn't the average salary. That is the starting salary which actually isn't bad as starting salaries go (now £25k). The problem is the average salary isn't great because there is very little progression in nursing. Most people don't get above a band 6 which tops out at £38k.
You are right BoroMike, just checked.
 
What scrutiny is he dodging In doing that?
He is dodging scrutiny all the time, to use a cricket analogy, he is sending out a succession of night watchmen on a hard pitch to face the fast bowlers with a new ball, he'll come in to bat in the morning with the shine off the ball. Perhaps not as you say with this? But he managed to make a statement where he could say that we had moved onto the downward slope. Good news you see.

My take on this is the attempt to establish a narrative of the returning embattled hero, here to save the day with a few Churchillian bon mots. "Good old buff Boris, a virus couldn't beat a stiff upper lip and a dash of ancient Greek"!

I refuse to buy it, but I can see that it is an appealing narrative which is why I think it is dangerous just to say that this will not affect the next GE because that is the hope of the Tories that they can somehow paint this is clusterfuk as a triumph for "Buff Old Boris".
 
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