Jim Davidson

r00fie1

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#21
Personally I can see where Jim Davison and Bernard Manning go hand in hand.
Manning was a brazen chauvanistic racist who admitted openly at the end of his life what he really believed - and we were right all along.
Davison does "Entertaining" with the troups on tour and adapts his "style" accordingly - it doesnt take much imagination as to what that means.
 
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#23
That was then...This is now

We are evolving slowly into intelligent and more sensitive people..all rightly so

The "best" bit of racism I ever witnessed was the black Andy Gray playing for Villa at Ayresome Park when the usual chants went up in the Holgate and a banana was thrown at his feet .....

He cupped his ear as if to say "Who? Me?" with a massive smile on his face..

Big man. Big heart. Big Smile......can't remember the score but he left his mark....we laughed too but I felt stupid afterwards

We wouldnt do it now...we've moved on Thank God
 

r00fie1

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#24
That was then...This is now

We are evolving slowly into intelligent and more sensitive people..all rightly so

The "best" bit of racism I ever witnessed was the black Andy Gray playing for Villa at Ayresome Park when the usual chants went up in the Holgate and a banana was thrown at his feet .....

He cupped his ear as if to say "Who? Me?" with a massive smile on his face..

Big man. Big heart. Big Smile......can't remember the score but he left his mark....we laughed too but I felt stupid afterwards

We wouldnt do it now...we've moved on Thank God
I beg to differ - racism is as violent and pervasive now as it was in the 60s and 70s.
Racism is not a moral issue.
It is a tool in the hands of the elite, used to divide and rule ordinary people when the system fails: when the rich recoup their power and disenfrancjise millions by austerity.
When people are scrapping for crumbs - without decent homes and jobs.
In order to exploit to acrue profits - the system relies on an iniquitous distribution of power and wealth.
If the system which oppresses us cannot provide for all our needs then it has to go.
Racism cannot be fought as a single issue.
 

Zoophonic

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#26
Personally I can see where Jim Davison and Bernard Manning go hand in hand.
Manning was a brazen chauvanistic racist who admitted openly at the end of his life what he really believed - and we were right all along.
Davison does "Entertaining" with the troups on tour and adapts his "style" accordingly - it doesnt take much imagination as to what that means.
As someone who had the misfortune to attend a Davidson gig about 20 years ago (yes I am very ashamed and its a long story) iI very much doubt he “changes his style” In front of the troops. He has one style of comedy and it is very unpleasant.
 

EI_Owen

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#28
A female presenter that I know, was working with him and he hassled her and begged her to sleep with him. She of course refused and he fell off the wagon during the filming and was absolutely unbearable.
 
#29
A lot of stuff on TV back then is almost unbearable nowadays for the reasons highlighted by the lively minds in here. I cannot disagree with a lot of what’s been said, who in their right mind could.
What’s the problem with Steptoe and Son?
 

r00fie1

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#31
As someone who had the misfortune to attend a Davidson gig about 20 years ago (yes I am very ashamed and its a long story) iI very much doubt he “changes his style” In front of the troops. He has one style of comedy and it is very unpleasant.
Im telling you he does "adapt his style" - Ive witnessed it: his "act" makes his TV shows appear fluffy cotton-wool stories at bedtime.
You would probably feel sick [according to what you say] - if you`de witnessed his "shows".
In a large young male - dominated environment it is still "accepted" [tolerated?].
"adapt his style accordingly" does not mean "tempered" - the two are different altogether.
 
#35
Let me give you an example... Benny Hill was regularly getting 20 million viewers a week in the 70's, more than a third of the population... was I wrong to watch it as a child because in hindsight it is so clearly sexist ? Were all 20 million viewers sexist ? Judging them by today's standards they would be.
So I don't think I could admit I was wrong or regret watching all those programs in the 70's and I'm not going to apologise for it or worse still virtue signal.
Everything should be judged in context.

Looking at Lostpassword quote above... "It was horrible then, now, tomorrow", unless he was some prescient saint in the 70's I simply do not believe him, I call bullsh&t.

In 50 years time what do you think the average person will think of the culture of today ?

In my defence I never liked Jim Davidson.
 

HarryVegas

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#36
Let me give you an example... Benny Hill was regularly getting 20 million viewers a week in the 70's, more than a third of the population... was I wrong to watch it as a child because in hindsight it is so clearly sexist ? Were all 20 million viewers sexist ? Judging them by today's standards they would be.
So I don't think I could admit I was wrong or regret watching all those programs in the 70's and I'm not going to apologise for it or worse still virtue signal.
Everything should be judged in context.

Looking at Lostpassword quote above... "It was horrible then, now, tomorrow", unless he was some prescient saint in the 70's I simply do not believe him, I call bullsh&t.

In 50 years time what do you think the average person will think of the culture of today ?

In my defence I never liked Jim Davidson.
By your own estimates, that means about 36 million of us didn't watch Benny Hill. Nobody here is asking you to apologise. I'm not virtue signalling either. In my house stuff like that just wasn't liked and I know we weren't alone. It was fairly common for some families - mine included - to consider ITV 'cheap rubbish'! We used to laugh at our dad saying stuff like that and it still makes me smile now, as it seems archaic, but for a lot of people, it was just how they grew up.
 
#37
By your own estimates, that means about 36 million of us didn't watch Benny Hill. Nobody here is asking you to apologise. I'm not virtue signalling either. In my house stuff like that just wasn't liked and I know we weren't alone. It was fairly common for some families - mine included - to consider ITV 'cheap rubbish'! We used to laugh at our dad saying stuff like that and it still makes me smile now, as it seems archaic, but for a lot of people, it was just how they grew up.
So you didn't watch it because it was "cheap rubbish" not because of any thought of it being sexist.
That's fine, that's a cultural decision, not one you could retrospectively moralise over.
Unfortunately my family was the prime target for ITV cheap rubbish.
 

HarryVegas

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#38
So you didn't watch it because it was "cheap rubbish" not because of any thought of it being sexist.
That's fine, that's a cultural decision, not one you could retrospectively moralise over.
Unfortunately my family was the prime target for ITV cheap rubbish.
We didn't watch it because my dad thought it was like a telly version of The Sun, which covers racism, sexism etc.
 
#39
Rising Damp, in my opinion was hilarious.
Still like it now if I get to catch it on some obscure sky channel.
On the face of it there was a lot of inuendo and jibing with regard to Rigsby and the black lodger.
But the Black guy ALWAYS got the better of Rigsby, he was the one that was perceived intelligent and the white man ( Rigsby ) always came off worse and was the real laughing stock, he was the one perceived as being thick.

so which way did that swing regarding being rascist ?.

or was it like I remember.....just a good laugh at everyone’s expense?.
 
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