Jeremy Vine tweet tonight (cycling related)

I think the driver knows he is there and in frustration tries to scare him by getting really close to him but goes to far and wipes him out. Completely dangerous and driver is at fault. Bike rider is d*ck tbf but doesn't justify drivers actions, in this situation he has to control his anger and vehicle better than he did.
 
Some horrible folk on here. Lad gets run over, likely deliberately, maybe hospitalised, and it’s all his fault cos he was riding like a knob?

That driver should be doing jail. I think the lad might have learned his lesson but the police need to be having a word with him.

Dark clothes don’t matter btw, but that’s an argument for another thread that’s been done loads. Lights - yeah, he should have them but thousands of kids don’t. They all don’t get belted by cars like that.

And if the driver couldn’t see the lad on a bike they shouldn’t be driving anyway.
 
MolteniArcore said:
Some horrible folk on here. Lad gets run over, likely deliberately, maybe hospitalised, and it’s all his fault cos he was riding like a knob?

That driver should be doing jail. I think the lad might have learned his lesson but the police need to be having a word with him.

Dark clothes don’t matter btw, but that’s an argument for another thread that’s been done loads. Lights - yeah, he should have them but thousands of kids don’t. They all don’t get belted by cars like that.

And if the driver couldn’t see the lad on a bike they shouldn’t be driving anyway.
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It’s every road user’s responsibility to be clearly seen - if a car driver drives along with no lights on they’d be prosecuted, why should a cyclist be any different. Just because loads of idiot cyclists flaunt the law doesn’t make it right
 
MolteniArcore said:
Some horrible folk on here. Lad gets run over, likely deliberately, maybe hospitalised, and it’s all his fault cos he was riding like a knob?

That driver should be doing jail. I think the lad might have learned his lesson but the police need to be having a word with him.

Dark clothes don’t matter btw, but that’s an argument for another thread that’s been done loads. Lights - yeah, he should have them but thousands of kids don’t. They all don’t get belted by cars like that.

And if the driver couldn’t see the lad on a bike they shouldn’t be driving anyway.
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Seems pretty unlikely that he’s hospitalised as he was standing about three seconds later.
It’s clear who is at fault - both of them.
 
SalfordBoro said:
The kid has some skills but he's also a moron, do it somewhere safe in the light.

He's at fault, the car driver may not have seen him, no lights, which is the law, dark clothing. He needs to be cycling in a safe manner and he's not.

I'm a cyclist and say he's at fault no the driver
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Bollox, yes he's dressed in dark clothing but the street is well-lit and the car is already overtaking other cyclists. Common sense, which seems to go out of the window when people get behind the wheel of a car, tells you that there is a hazard in front of you and you adjust your speed and positioning accordingly.

I had popped over to see SocraTees yesterday, and on the way back toward Stokesley it was like the Tour de France with cyclists out on every road - good to see. The road back to Stokesley has a number of blind bends and I just waited patiently for a clear gap to move past them in a safe manner. I had two cars come flying up behind me and because I was only driving at the speed of the cyclist, both tried to overtake me and the cyclist.

Oh, and I am not a road cyclist.
 
I just put that idiot cyclist meets idiot driver. Idiocy happens. Both deserve what is coming to them.

The driver of the car is by far the most dangerous of the two and deserves the greater punishment here. No question. But the cyclist is 100% wanting to provoke and when you do that you cannot complain at how the other person reacts when they snap.

In education I always tell the young people I teach....."if you want to provoke people, that is up to you. But don't complain when they react in a way you don't like. You do not get to control that part of the interaction".
 
Support Your Local Team said:
I just put that idiot cyclist meets idiot driver. Idiocy happens. Both deserve what is coming to them.

The driver of the car is by far the most dangerous of the two and deserves the greater punishment here. No question. But the cyclist is 100% wanting to provoke and when you do that you cannot complain at how the other person reacts when they snap.

In education I always tell the young people I teach....."if you want to provoke people, that is up to you. But don't complain when they react in a way you don't like. You do not get to control that part of the interaction".
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I hope you go on to tell them they do own their interaction when provoked- and to endanger someone’s life unnecessarily is not a good choice.
 
The Disciple said:
It’s every road user’s responsibility to be clearly seen - if a car driver drives along with no lights on they’d be prosecuted, why should a cyclist be any different. Just because loads of idiot cyclists flaunt the law doesn’t make it right
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On that basis, if you saw a car driving along at night with no lights on, it's fair game to drive and smash into that car with your own?

It doesn't matter at all what the idiot cyclist was doing. The driver is not the judge, jury and executioner. Anyone who thinks the driver is not in the wrong here, then basically you're promoting a vigilantly state.
 
The number of potential murderers that this kind of thread reveals is rather eye opening!

You all need to chill out when you get behind the wheel. Honestly, nobody in your sad little lives needs to see you that urgently, a few minutes will not make a difference.
 
TheReck said:
Young teenager gets knock off his bike for doing what teenagers do! It’s just shameful how many posters are on the side of driver. So many Victor Meldrew characters on this post.
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(Spoiler alert) Victor Meldrew was killed in a hit and run. Not aware of a plot line where he killed someone, directly and intentionally at least.
 
1finny said:
I hope you go on to tell them they do own their interaction when provoked- and to endanger someone’s life unnecessarily is not a good choice.
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We always teach all of our students that they are solely responsible for their own choices and actions and to expect any consequences they incur. And yes, we also emphasise (whenever needed) that endangering other people's lives is never a good choice.
 
The Disciple said:
It’s every road user’s responsibility to be clearly seen - if a car driver drives along with no lights on they’d be prosecuted, why should a cyclist be any different. Just because loads of idiot cyclists flaunt the law doesn’t make it right
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It’s the old hierarchy of responsibility isn’t it? If you are driving a 1 ton metal death box you need to make sure you can see vulnerable road users even if they don’t have high vis or lights. That’s what you sign up to when you drive on on the roads.
 
SalfordBoro said:
The kid has some skills but he's also a moron, do it somewhere safe in the light.

He's at fault, the car driver may not have seen him, no lights, which is the law, dark clothing. He needs to be cycling in a safe manner and he's not.

I'm a cyclist and say he's at fault no the driver
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The driver is 100% at fault. You can’t just run people off the road. Look at the video, it’s a well lit area.
 
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