The_Lizards_Jumpers
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Thanks, any examples of where decisions have gone wrongly against us too, in the interest of balance?
Izzy was offside
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Thanks, any examples of where decisions have gone wrongly against us too, in the interest of balance?
Chappy112
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Only one I can think of is the push on Howson at West Brom for the first goal which I thought was a blatant foul but a lot on here didn't seem to think so.
The ref against Watford sent my blood pressure through the roof but no major decisions.
Rofesleg
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Seeing clear daylight means nothing unless you are directly above the ball looking down.
MickaelDebevePhenomenal
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I sit in the North and immediately thought offside, didn't celebrate for a few secs as looked at the lino.
It's one of them where linesman couldn't be 100 percent sure, and even if he is off, its only marginal so they don't flag. With VAR though it would almost certainly be ruled out.
It's one of them where linesman couldn't be 100 percent sure, and even if he is off, its only marginal so they don't flag. With VAR though it would almost certainly be ruled out.
dooderooni
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You can't compare this incident and the Liverpool one as they are being adjudicated under two completely different sets of laws.
Although the offside laws apply in the same way, the way a decision is arrived at is entirely different.
Last night, assistant flags or doesn't flag, referee then disallows or allows the goal. Game goes on.
Saturday, assistant flags or doesn't flag, referee delays the game while VAR intervenes, midgies dícks come into play and football is ruined
Although the offside laws apply in the same way, the way a decision is arrived at is entirely different.
Last night, assistant flags or doesn't flag, referee then disallows or allows the goal. Game goes on.
Saturday, assistant flags or doesn't flag, referee delays the game while VAR intervenes, midgies dícks come into play and football is ruined
Muttley
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Perhaps, perhaps not. Players are usually a pretty good judge of this and I don't see a single Cardiff player with his hand up, one glances at the lino but doesn't appeal...
What I guarantee VAR would have done was to spoil the immediacy of the moment. We could have spent several minutes looking at a blank video screen (because we're not ALLOWED to see the process in the stadium) before we are able to celebrate (or whinge). And still the idiots who worship at the altar of VAR will insist that the 0.002% better decision making improvement is worth it and they have spreadsheets to prove it!
I don't get why refs aren't on mic and the videos played on the big screen
Easterside_Red
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Is your middle name pedantic?
Markviduka
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He's level with the ball isn't he?
Rofesleg
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There was nothing pedantic about my post at all.
The 'clear daylight' argument is a common error discussed on here before.
I thought it was worth pointing it out seeing how you were using it as proof that the assistant ref was incompetent.
Rishworthian
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The difficulty for all was Jones moved very quickly from a position that was several yards on - side to maybe but only maybe a position that was off-side. It was the speed of his movement that was the bit that gave all a problem.
The lino could not say absolutely he was off-side and therefore gave him the benefit of the doubt - correct decision
The lino could not say absolutely he was off-side and therefore gave him the benefit of the doubt - correct decision
Easterside_Red
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But you don't need to be directly above the ball looking down. Are you saying that if the ball is in row Z I cannot see clear daylight between the ball and the line from my seat in the North Stand?
Or what if from my seat I can look directly down the line unobstructed. Are you still saying that I would to be directly above the ball looking down?
Get a life fella you squeeze the joy out of everything.
A player can come back from an offside position in order to play a ball which has been played back, or level to them (and they often do).
The classic example is a short corner where the corner taker plays it to a team mate standing near them. That team mate then plays the ball back up the field slightly and the corner taker runs from the corner arc to play the ball. Assuming any defenders that were on the line have moved up, the corner taker is closer to the opponent's goal line than both the ball and the second last defender when the team mate plays it. So despite the fact the ball was played backwards, the corner taker still commits an offside position when they play the ball a second time.
That's not how match officials operate. I've been both an AR and a referee and it's not an option to say, "I'm not sure so I'm not giving it." As either an AR or referee, you have to make a decision one way or the other. You use your best judgement, and you make the call. You might make a wrong decision, but you're not entitled to not make one.
But if it was offside and was given incorrectly then VAR would have done its job. You are putting the feelings of the supporters celebrating an illegitimate goal immediately above the feelings of the team and supporters of the opposition that have to just accept that the decision is wrong.
Whatever argument you make is nonsense and doesn't reflect reality anyway. I have watched matches with VAR and have celebrated as the goal went in. I have celebrated goals in matches without VAR where the referee has then disallowed it for a foul I missed or the linesman has the flag up. I remember celebrating after Crooks scoring at Old Trafford when VAR gave it where I didn't celebrate immediately because I assumed the ref was about to blow for a Watmore handball. We have played several matches with VAR and it's barely noticeable it is there for the majority of situations. What you don't like is having goals disallowed and you are prioritising celebrating illegitimate goals over fairness which is a very weak argument.
No, they're not. There's absolutely nothing in the Laws of the Game about giving the benefit of the doubt to an attacker in cases of offside. As mentioned above, the AR has to make a judgement call one way or the other.
Rofesleg
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Sorry I didn't realise the ball was in row Z.
In that case the assistant was definitely incompetent. I apologise.
I didn't realise you got so much joy from seeing if a ball is out. So I also apologise for spoiling your fun.
Just one more point though. You looking down the line from your seat is not a definitive view point.
Anyway, here is a thread full of pedantry from the World Cup which might help:
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I knew about the corner which is very odd in itself. Didn’t realise - normally the whole of the ball out is out! Never seen this rule applied anywhere else. Are the germans being punished for their protest!
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