It’s looking like a potential landslide victory for Joe Biden
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jam69
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Thanks alvez respect yours too. Of course racism isn't the reason trump won, but its what made the difference, spouting about the wall , Muslims and Mexican rapists swung enough votes to get him over the line.
As for brexit farage standing in front of that poster is the sort of xenophobia which swung it for brexit.
Many brexiters voted for other reasons but again that's what made the difference
As for brexit farage standing in front of that poster is the sort of xenophobia which swung it for brexit.
Many brexiters voted for other reasons but again that's what made the difference
Pog
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Dismissing Trump voters as sacred white people or dumb racists as many others have said that risks Trump putting back into office.
If it was simply scared whites people and fear of Latinos then they would vote Republican anyway, they’ve ran on those racist policies for decades. The southern strategy has been going since the 60’s when they started dismantling Jim Crow laws.
Trump won because he successfully tapped into the anger of mostly non-college educated white Americans. He won a whopping 50 percent of voters making less than $50,000
People who the political system has son for years, and neither party has helped or acknowledged.
9 million people switched from being Obama voters to Trump voters, to vote for the first black president there must be more to your political decision process than racism and wanting a wall to keep Latinos out.
I think Trump also got very lucky that he was up against Hilary Clinton.
He won the rust belt - Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. It certainly wasn’t down to the wall or racism (though some will have liked that). He successfully tapped into the anger at free trade deals and NAFTA which had seen factories closed in those areas and their jobs outsourced abroad.
He turns up there and promises to rip up these hated trade deals and bring the factories back to those areas.
Of course in reality he can’t deliver this, but that policy is exactly what these people wanted to hear. It’s Populism 101.
Plus he got the added bonus of being able to run against the very embodiment of the establishment who oversaw this - Hillary Clinton.
If it was simply scared whites people and fear of Latinos then they would vote Republican anyway, they’ve ran on those racist policies for decades. The southern strategy has been going since the 60’s when they started dismantling Jim Crow laws.
Trump won because he successfully tapped into the anger of mostly non-college educated white Americans. He won a whopping 50 percent of voters making less than $50,000
People who the political system has son for years, and neither party has helped or acknowledged.
9 million people switched from being Obama voters to Trump voters, to vote for the first black president there must be more to your political decision process than racism and wanting a wall to keep Latinos out.
I think Trump also got very lucky that he was up against Hilary Clinton.
He won the rust belt - Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. It certainly wasn’t down to the wall or racism (though some will have liked that). He successfully tapped into the anger at free trade deals and NAFTA which had seen factories closed in those areas and their jobs outsourced abroad.
He turns up there and promises to rip up these hated trade deals and bring the factories back to those areas.
Of course in reality he can’t deliver this, but that policy is exactly what these people wanted to hear. It’s Populism 101.
Plus he got the added bonus of being able to run against the very embodiment of the establishment who oversaw this - Hillary Clinton.
smogontherhine
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"Plus he got the added bonus of being able to run against the very embodiment of the establishment who oversaw this - Hillary Clinton. "
...and what's he up against this time, exactly the same establishment.
...and what's he up against this time, exactly the same establishment.
Pog
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Precisely.
Which make Trump and the RNC even dumber for trying to run with “Biden is a Trojan Horse for socialism” as their main attack. Nobody with half a brain actually believes that.
“Biden is a Trojan Horse for GLOBALISM” would land far better because it’s the truth.
smogontherhine
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Yes and no, there's nothing more the average American is afraid of than socialism.
As for "half a brain", who has to believe it ? Trump's base is strong, probably even stronger as they've all been accused of being racists for the past few months, he doesn't need to preach to them, he just needs to point to the chaos across America, point out that most of the cities this is happening in are democrat run, point to the democratic media apologists turning a blind-eye and then he starts getting those swing voters.
Pog
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One problem with that strategy, his base isn’t enough for him to win the presidency.
He won last time by getting people who hadn’t voted in many years to turn out for him and to get Obama voters to turn to him.
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Jedi boro
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Trump won pure and simply because he was up against Hillary Clinton as few people in the us That don’t have an opinion on her be it good or bad it’s hard to shift.
As For some she was the embodiment of women’s progress the perfect feminist choice to finally grab the top spot and smash the glass ceiling but for others she was the evil shril behind Clinton the Antichrist herself who was guilty of everything from blackmail to murder ( google it)...
That’s why trump won.
As For some she was the embodiment of women’s progress the perfect feminist choice to finally grab the top spot and smash the glass ceiling but for others she was the evil shril behind Clinton the Antichrist herself who was guilty of everything from blackmail to murder ( google it)...
That’s why trump won.
Cardiffdaffs
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zaphod
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I don't think racists swung it, because racists always vote Republican these days. The days of George Wallace-style Democrats are long gone.
He won, partly because of working-class resentment of the establishment and partly because black voters stayed at home in large numbers because of Hillary Clinton.
He won, partly because of working-class resentment of the establishment and partly because black voters stayed at home in large numbers because of Hillary Clinton.
smogontherhine
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Talking about black voters.... 24% approval rating for Trump, up 9% in the week of the RNC....
https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-ame...mp-approval-rises-among-black-hispanic-voters
https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-ame...mp-approval-rises-among-black-hispanic-voters
buffaloboro
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Lefty, Bernie and AOC would have had no chance.
ThatFragranceGuy
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1finny
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Seen a summary of swing states this morning showing Clinton was better placed than Biden in the polls at this time during the last campaign.
Not confident
FabioPorkpie
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That Norpoth model is very worrying and depressingly, a bit of a reality check, given the past accuracy of his modelling. The world is ****ed.
Plazmuh
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Yea worrying for all The Peadoes and Blood drinking Hollywood scumbags..
Trump is draining the swamp
Just as he promised
and Making America Great once more..
WWG1WGA
FabioPorkpie
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Plaz, I’ve enjoyed your posts over the years. But you really should stick to the alien stuff and the photography......