HarryVegas
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So it's not about the scandals then, and you don't want your reasoning extended to other public bodies. I can hear the gears of dissonance grinding from here...
Impartial BBC?
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atypical_boro
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If the public don’t fund it anymore you’re basically getting rid of it but keeping the logo as a marketing tool.
DCI_Gene_Hunt
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Have you just randomly pulled that figure out of the air?
Young British people want to abolish the monarchy in dramatic shift of public opinion, survey shows
The young would rather have an elected head of state
www.independent.co.uk
Young British people want to ditch the monarchy, poll suggests
Young people in Britain no longer think the country should keep the monarchy and more now want an elected head of state, with their mood souring over the last couple of years, a poll on Friday showed.
www.reuters.com
atypical_boro
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I think that’s way too high. Many are apathetic, but no way are 85% in genuine favour of it.
Boro1876
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No they are my reasons Harry. Maybe I'm.guilty of zoning in on the BBC but they should definitely lose their public payday IMO. The NHS and armed forces are essential. The BBC isn't.
DCI_Gene_Hunt
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Many would argue other wise.
Same_as_before
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Laughing
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For a bit of balance here the BBC don't just put out programmes. See what they did at the 2012 Olympics where on iplayer you could watch any event you wanted.
I worked on the infrastructure for that and it cost a fortune. You just wouldn't get that kind of funding if it were in private hands.
As for the complaints. Well you would have to look at them I suppose to get a balanced view point. I think they are right leaning but I don't get most of my news from them and they do obey impartiality rules, by and large.
I worked on the infrastructure for that and it cost a fortune. You just wouldn't get that kind of funding if it were in private hands.
As for the complaints. Well you would have to look at them I suppose to get a balanced view point. I think they are right leaning but I don't get most of my news from them and they do obey impartiality rules, by and large.
HarryVegas
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Agreed. The BBC isn't perfect but people need to think about who is leading this recurring national conversation about defunding/getting rid. It's the daily papers, those models of virtue who listen into dead children's phones, who continually carry out the most hateful and vindictive campaigns against largely innocent people. Who slandered the dead fans at Hillsborough.
I'd urge anyone who unthinkingly repeats this anti-BBC propaganda to stop and analyse where their opinions come from. Because the alternative is Fox News and lowest common denominator, cheap sh*t, scraping the outside of the barrel, dumb entertainment. That's not a country I'd want to live in, and I'm not even a TV fan.
I don't particularly want the bbc privatised/defunded but I won't care if they are. Their political coverage is corrupt. There's no other word for it.
To those drawing comparisons with the NHS or other institutions and saying would you privatise/defund these if they had a problem, I think it's a very different thing. How do you resolve the BBCs political corruption in a way the tories can't just unpick again?
To those drawing comparisons with the NHS or other institutions and saying would you privatise/defund these if they had a problem, I think it's a very different thing. How do you resolve the BBCs political corruption in a way the tories can't just unpick again?
DCI_Gene_Hunt
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Can you given examples of that corruption?
HarryVegas
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Easy way to do it. Make it illegal for any government to have influence over senior appointments. Trouble is of course, few governments would have the balls to pass such legislation.
ticker_tape
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Side valve Kuenssberg jumped the gun and tweeted a Labour activist had punched a Tory MP, Michael Foot was torn a new one for wearing a raincoat not a donkey jacket to the cenotaph. Body Bag Boris turns up three parts pizzed showing his underpants and his park a bike asre hanging out, the BBC they play last year's footage off him ffs lie cheating xxxxx.
Andrew Neil stitches Corbyn up and pretends Body Bag Boris won't turn up.... You know the Andrew Neil who is running Jack boot TV
don't be started on Norman Smith and that slimey xxx xxx Dimbleby.or even that thing that presents Question time.
They show the footage of Oregrave out of sync and with a pack of lies.
this isn't Auntiebeeb with all it's luvies, it prosecutes poor people for not being able to afford their tax.
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DCI_Gene_Hunt
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I'm sure those unfortunates of a Right leaning persuasion would offer similar examples of political bias.
I'm asking does that make a world wide organisation with 20,000 employees corrupt or does it say that parts of the organisation are not being managed properly?
The BBC is about a lot more than political reporting.
Emmersons_BrazillianDong
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You asked for examples Gene and they've been given. There were a lot of others covering Corbyn specifically, the one that I remember most was the photo they edited on the news too maybe him look like he was wearing A Russian military hat ffs.
The BBC have been awful in parts and it's simply not acceptable when they are funded by taxpayers.
You've dismissed their handling of the Saville and Bashir cases above too. You have to remember they didn't just act poorly at the time but their handling of those cases throughout the years and even into recent years has been awful which looked very much like a cover up.
They have to be held to a higher standard as they are publicly funded. In exactly the same way that the corrupt MPS should be held to account but that's another topic.
My own personal beef with the BBC is the contract they tender out the enforcement of the licence fee to Capita, a contract that they know affects some of the poorest in society, with a huge disproportion of single young women targeted. They use a company who create false documents, entrap people to sign admission statements and send threatening correspondence to people, some of whom do not even need a tv licence.
Hundreds of thousands of people every single year criminalised for non payment of the licence fee.
I am not one of those that wants to lose the good parts of the BBC but there needs to be fundamental change in my opinion, starting with the suggestion above that nobody linked to political parties should be allowed to be an employee.
Much like our political system the BBC requires fundamental change and not just tinkering around the edges
ticker_tape
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I guess they aren't All a shower, however for the money that goes in its product has diminished imho. Come Dancing was Shiite in the 70s, a lot a celebs boring the pants off the nation. TOGWT has never been matched and the BBC music output is bland.
Comedy on the BBC is the same 5 comics turning up on a slightly different format.
BBC 4 has turned into women's weekly with Lucy Bow legged boring Worsley on every 5 mins.
Science shows are very rare, You Tube and Netflix has finished the Beeb imho of course.
Comedy on the BBC is the same 5 comics turning up on a slightly different format.
BBC 4 has turned into women's weekly with Lucy Bow legged boring Worsley on every 5 mins.
Science shows are very rare, You Tube and Netflix has finished the Beeb imho of course.
DCI_Gene_Hunt
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I've been given examples of issues with one aspect of the BBC.
The BBC is so much more than political reporting and to dismiss the whole organisation as corrupt because of that is wrong, that's the point I'm making. I've said in a previous post that I accept the BBC is not perfect and that it has it's faults. I'd rather those issues were addressed and solved rather than just scrapping it and handing it over to Murdoch/Bezos to reap the benefits of all the good things they do.
I've never seen it done on here. I think it's a massive over simplification to say left have complaints and right have complaints therefore everything must be fine.
The political rights complaints about the BBC usually seem to be to do with individual personalities on twitter like Gary Linekar. The lefts are all related to the actual news reporting the BBC does.
In addition to the list already given, Kuensberg edited footage of her interviewing Corbyn to change the questions he was answering.
During the last election the BBC edited footage of Boris in the debates to hide the audiences reaction to him.
Kuensberg doxxed some poor bloke for having the temerity to have a go at Boris showing up at a hospital and lying to his face about it being a photo op.
The Question Time host was revealed tp be revving the crowd up to give Diane Abbott a hard time rather than any of the other guests that week.
In 2016 the Daily Politics show coordinated with Stephen Doughty MP for him to resign his shadow cabinet post "live on air". That's not reporting the news, it's generating it. Think about what that example means especially. The BBC political correspondent was sneaking around with an MP, plotting with them exactly when and how they could resign shadow cabinet to be as damaging as possible to their party/leader.
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DCI_Gene_Hunt
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And I keep saying that its not just about political reporting, it's about the BBC as a whole.
I've said it twice, and I'll say it again for your benefit, I accept that there are issues within the BBC that need addressing. But address the issues not just throw the whole thing away.
Do you think a subscription BBC service would have provided us with Bob Fischer and his Saturday night shows?