Ted_DN38416
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Right not to vote is just as important as the right to vote. Maybe if everyone stopped voting we might get some real change. Keep doing the same things why expect different results
I would like to issue an Apology to members of this board
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alanmoodysdog
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He was hit with Covid just after the election ... but still he continues his car crash office ... how to lose a 80 seat majority with his buffonery is without doubt one of the political disasters of the last 100 years
bungydinsdale
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Is the Monster Raving Loony Party still going?
Yes. They're called The Labour Party now.
jonny_greenings_sock
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Good spirit on this thread, rare for a politics one!
Curious - is there anyone who switched to Conservative in 2019 who would vote for them again?
I know it’s a bit of an echo chamber on here but it’s interesting to hear different people’s points of view.
Agree totally that politics should 100% be taught in schools. When I got to 18 I didn’t have the first idea what all the parties were all about, and leaflets and TV didn’t help. I taught myself about it because I found it interesting and I’m a bit of a nerd, but for sure the first time I voted I based it on thinking Tony Blair seemed more cheerful than Major, didn’t have a clue. I didn’t even know that the Tories and the Conservatives were the same party.
It shouldn’t be on people to have to do the research themselves, education and media are equally culpable for not informing people about what politics actually is and what the parties really are, rather than the day-to-day soap opera and open bias of every media outlet. Politics is simultaneously boring af and one of the most interesting things in the world, I totally get why the vast majority of people aren’t interested in it when all you see on the news is the braying pantomime of PMQs.
I also get why people switched to Tory in 2019. I’m part of the problem, I’d vote for a toaster if it was wearing a red rosette but can see why people wanted something different. Diane Abbott is a nightmare, Corbyn is a decent man but far from the best and brightest, people were so bored of the Brexit psychodrama and the Tories had a great slogan, and I can see why people ran out of patience after years of useless local Labour councillors and MPs.
Curious - is there anyone who switched to Conservative in 2019 who would vote for them again?
I know it’s a bit of an echo chamber on here but it’s interesting to hear different people’s points of view.
Agree totally that politics should 100% be taught in schools. When I got to 18 I didn’t have the first idea what all the parties were all about, and leaflets and TV didn’t help. I taught myself about it because I found it interesting and I’m a bit of a nerd, but for sure the first time I voted I based it on thinking Tony Blair seemed more cheerful than Major, didn’t have a clue. I didn’t even know that the Tories and the Conservatives were the same party.
It shouldn’t be on people to have to do the research themselves, education and media are equally culpable for not informing people about what politics actually is and what the parties really are, rather than the day-to-day soap opera and open bias of every media outlet. Politics is simultaneously boring af and one of the most interesting things in the world, I totally get why the vast majority of people aren’t interested in it when all you see on the news is the braying pantomime of PMQs.
I also get why people switched to Tory in 2019. I’m part of the problem, I’d vote for a toaster if it was wearing a red rosette but can see why people wanted something different. Diane Abbott is a nightmare, Corbyn is a decent man but far from the best and brightest, people were so bored of the Brexit psychodrama and the Tories had a great slogan, and I can see why people ran out of patience after years of useless local Labour councillors and MPs.
History, and specifically British history is taught in schools. The evolution of modern Britain and the origins of 21st century Britain run in a thread from 1815, through the big changes from 1870 to 1919, and on to the post WWII changes.
The biggest changes to Britain at any time came from the Liberal governments of 1906-14. The introduction of pensions, sickness benefits, national insurance, school meals, free health care for children, health and safety, employment exchanges, a health service which was the platform for the NHS were all introduced then. It always seems strange that the Liberals have done more to shape the way we live than any party, but haven't been in office for 100 years.
NZBoro1
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I remember in 1979, when i was 11, not wanting MT to get in and wanting Uncle Jim to stay.
I never really experienced the issues behind the winter of discontent, but for some reason politics has always interested me.
I hadab SDP sticker in my bedroom window at 17 (naieve I know) and over time find political memoirs my favourite reading. I'm currently re reading John Coles As it seemed to me, which if you want to get a handle on today's problems is really well worth a read.
Nerd, yep
I never really experienced the issues behind the winter of discontent, but for some reason politics has always interested me.
I hadab SDP sticker in my bedroom window at 17 (naieve I know) and over time find political memoirs my favourite reading. I'm currently re reading John Coles As it seemed to me, which if you want to get a handle on today's problems is really well worth a read.
Nerd, yep
Jonny Ingbar
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Sadly not, justblook at the politcal corruption across the world in the last 5 years and this theory is shown to be incorrect.
European nations, Israel, the US, the Americas....the list is a sadly long one.
We are a typically nation politically, in the worst possible way.
Billy69_uk
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and with the best of intentions, this is why the Tory party will probably win the next general election.
A Tory voter will vote for absolutely any flavour of Tory ( from far right to very very far right) whereas a a standard labour voter wont vote for their exact matched candidate.
time to vote tactically folks if you want any changes at all.
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BaronSmoggie
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Maybe Boris isn't so bad
I would vote for Nobby ahead of BJ or Starmer. At least Nobby is upfront about being Nobby. You'd know exactly what you were getting. Boris lies every time he opens his mouth and Starmer seems to have fooled a lot of people in to thinking that he's a decent bloke when he isn't.Maybe Boris isn't so bad
I agree with you up to a point and the left have always been great at ripping each other to bits but I'm not going to vote for a party led by a snake like Starmer just because he isn't Boris Johnson. A lot of my American friends voted for Biden in an 'Anyone but Trump' kind of way and now they're wondering why they bothered.
LaPennaBianca
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That big fuckk off infrastructure bill a d getting a handle on COVID?
The facts are - vote for who you like. But there is a world of difference between Trump and Biden.
Starter lied to win the Labour leadership, so he's difficult to trust - but I'd still take him every time over that bin bag of custard.
I just see us turning in to America mate. Vote for the Republicans or the other Republicans. I want a proper alternative to the Tories. Is that too much to ask?
LaPennaBianca
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No, it's not. But in the US the Republicans have become a party committed to undermining democracy - the Tories could do the same here.
You might not like either, they might each be capitalist dogs, but there is a world of difference between the two. One is committed to democracy the other only when it's convenient. We've seen Tory attemots to sneak in voter ID rules and to gerrymander local elections.
Look at Hungary if you want to see where not recognising this difference gets you.
jam69
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The current Labour Party are a million miles from this sleezey corrupt government we have now, not voting just props up this shambles.
They are all the same is just a excuse to give the green light to johnson and Co
Muttley
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More than that, what I think we need to see is an Electoral Pact between Labour, Liberals, Green and even the SNP to get the Tories out on the basis of a change to the voting system to full PR and reform of the House of Lords. The Tories have been able to negate any social change by abusing their influence in the media both printed and broadcast and by using their wealthy backers to fund things like bot farms.
Time for real change.
I didn't say that they were 'all the same'. There are still some decent Labour MPs. Mainly in the SCG. I've made my position on that pretty clear on here a million times. Get rid of Starmer and stick someone like Zarah Sultana in charge and I'll vote for them. Voting for them now would just be me telling them that they made the correct decision in lurching to the right after Corbyn.
Muttley
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If Zarah Sultana can support Starmer then you should too. This next election we absolutely must get the Tories out, failure to do so would have VERY dangerous implications for democracy in this country.
HundredRoom
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I wouldn't mind a real change but on a trial basis only. Max 2 years