I know Gibsons game now….

Burnley made no approach to Wilder, they had agreed that Kompany would become manager at the end of his Anderlecht contract, the media and others linked Wilder with Burnley because of ALK's connection with Sheffield United, but I have it from a reliable source that Wilder was never on Burnley's radar and there was no contact with Wilder just speculation.

The other myth is that our results fell away after the Burnley speculation, Dyche was surprisingly sacked on April 15th we had 5 games left we won 2, drew 1 and lost 2, the 5 games prior to that with no speculation we won 1, drew 1 and lost 3, our drop off in form predated the rumours, it's a convenient but false narrative.

Wilder wasn't sacked because of his lack of commitment to the club or because he was touting for other jobs, he was sacked because the results were terrible, we were in regression and incapable of winning games.

Sometimes we're all guilty of apophenia and looking for things that aren't there but the truth is often prosaic and in Wilder's case his dismissal was down to the lack of points and nothing more salacious.
 
It wouldn’t have been a good time to unveil a newby away at Millwall when the likely defeat would ruin the new managerial bounce.
 
American_Mary said:
Burnley made no approach to Wilder, they had agreed that Kompany would become manager at the end of his Anderlecht contract, the media and others linked Wilder with Burnley because of ALK's connection with Sheffield United, but I have it from a reliable source that Wilder was never on Burnley's radar and there was no contact with Wilder just speculation.

The other myth is that our results fell away after the Burnley speculation, Dyche was surprisingly sacked on April 15th we had 5 games left we won 2, drew 1 and lost 2, the 5 games prior to that with no speculation we won 1, drew 1 and lost 3, our drop off in form predated the rumours, it's a convenient but false narrative.

Wilder wasn't sacked because of his lack of commitment to the club or because he was touting for other jobs, he was sacked because the results were terrible, we were in regression and incapable of winning games.

Sometimes we're all guilty of apophenia and looking for things that aren't there but the truth is often prosaic and in Wilder's case his dismissal was down to the lack of points and nothing more salacious.
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So bbc tees who work inside the club day in day out were wrong then sand with the gazette.

Drury quote there was clearly an interest in the Burnley job snd it was mutual.

I think his cack handed response didn’t help either.
 
American_Mary said:
Burnley made no approach to Wilder, they had agreed that Kompany would become manager at the end of his Anderlecht contract, the media and others linked Wilder with Burnley because of ALK's connection with Sheffield United, but I have it from a reliable source that Wilder was never on Burnley's radar and there was no contact with Wilder just speculation.

The other myth is that our results fell away after the Burnley speculation, Dyche was surprisingly sacked on April 15th we had 5 games left we won 2, drew 1 and lost 2, the 5 games prior to that with no speculation we won 1, drew 1 and lost 3, our drop off in form predated the rumours, it's a convenient but false narrative.

Wilder wasn't sacked because of his lack of commitment to the club or because he was touting for other jobs, he was sacked because the results were terrible, we were in regression and incapable of winning games.

Sometimes we're all guilty of apophenia and looking for things that aren't there but the truth is often prosaic and in Wilder's case his dismissal was down to the lack of points and nothing more salacious.
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That’s what I tend to believe. We had already had two of the three home defeats, that ultimately did for our play off hopes before Burnley speculation started. Indeed the Burnley speculation was as a result of Wilder being seen as doing a decent job with us.

For me what did for us last season was failing to get get at least a point at home against Fulham and Hull, before that it was in our own hands. Both those defeats were down to individual mistakes, something which carried over to this season

I think Wilder ultimately had to go, unfortunately imho, because players weren’t playing for him and results dived. Perhaps he gave a few home truths that some didn’t like?
 
Ex Footy Legs said:
Rob edwards has already been chosen but wait a while and tell the fans we’ve interviewed many candidates but he was the best by far.
If he does do that he is making his biggest mistake yet because this is the most important and dangerous moment in our time since 1986.

This appointment is crucial and needs experience at this level and definitely not a novice because these players will run rings around a relative novice
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The problem we have is these players couldn't run rings around a sunday league team. Even Pep wouldnt stand a chance.
.Until we find and sign some decent players to replace these lot we are fcked
 
Otto42 said:
That’s what I tend to believe. We had already had two of the three home defeats, that ultimately did for our play off hopes before Burnley speculation started. Indeed the Burnley speculation was as a result of Wilder being seen as doing a decent job with us.

For me what did for us last season was failing to get get at least a point at home against Fulham and Hull, before that it was in our own hands. Both those defeats were down to individual mistakes, something which carried over to this season

I think Wilder ultimately had to go, unfortunately imho, because players weren’t playing for him and results dived. Perhaps he gave a few home truths that some didn’t like?
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He probably gave it both barrels to Gibson too.
 
Yeah they are both wrong, there was no approach to Wilder or from Burnley to Middlesbrough to talk to Wilder, Kompany was always first choice primarily due to his contract situation.

I'm not saying Wilder wouldn't have taken the job if offered it, but he wasn't offered it, managers resign to take other jobs on a fairly regular basis, look at Rob Edwards for example, approached by Watford so he quits FGR mid contract, why didn't Wilder do the same ?

It was speculation due to AKL's links with Sheffield United and people putting 2+2 together to make 5, according to my source who works in the game Kompany was the first and only manager offered the Burnley job.
 
American_Mary said:
Burnley made no approach to Wilder, they had agreed that Kompany would become manager at the end of his Anderlecht contract, the media and others linked Wilder with Burnley because of ALK's connection with Sheffield United, but I have it from a reliable source that Wilder was never on Burnley's radar and there was no contact with Wilder just speculation.

The other myth is that our results fell away after the Burnley speculation, Dyche was surprisingly sacked on April 15th we had 5 games left we won 2, drew 1 and lost 2, the 5 games prior to that with no speculation we won 1, drew 1 and lost 3, our drop off in form predated the rumours, it's a convenient but false narrative.

Wilder wasn't sacked because of his lack of commitment to the club or because he was touting for other jobs, he was sacked because the results were terrible, we were in regression and incapable of winning games.

Sometimes we're all guilty of apophenia and looking for things that aren't there but the truth is often prosaic and in Wilder's case his dismissal was down to the lack of points and nothing more salacious.
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Not only is your content informative but I always welcome learning new words. ;)
 
Carrick with Phelan alongside would be a good appointment
As would Corberan.
Need to get in quick before WBA steal our first choice
 
Zoophonic said:
The anti Gibson vibe around this messageboard depresses me particularly when people start to make stories up in their head like this thread has.

It is as if now Wilder has gone a new bogeyman has to be found.
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He could take us to the Champions League and he would still not be worthy to a large number on this board. But he's a Tory boy don't you know, and a Boro one to make matters worse.... and therein lies the issue.
 
American_Mary said:
Burnley made no approach to Wilder, they had agreed that Kompany would become manager at the end of his Anderlecht contract, the media and others linked Wilder with Burnley because of ALK's connection with Sheffield United, but I have it from a reliable source that Wilder was never on Burnley's radar and there was no contact with Wilder just speculation.

The other myth is that our results fell away after the Burnley speculation, Dyche was surprisingly sacked on April 15th we had 5 games left we won 2, drew 1 and lost 2, the 5 games prior to that with no speculation we won 1, drew 1 and lost 3, our drop off in form predated the rumours, it's a convenient but false narrative.

Wilder wasn't sacked because of his lack of commitment to the club or because he was touting for other jobs, he was sacked because the results were terrible, we were in regression and incapable of winning games.

Sometimes we're all guilty of apophenia and looking for things that aren't there but the truth is often prosaic and in Wilder's case his dismissal was down to the lack of points and nothing more salacious.
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Interesting Post and against what around 90% of posters have said about Burnley job i.e they are convinced he applied (I haven't a clue if he applied or not, but can see the problems believing it has caused).

I am interested in the word "regression" - For most clubs progression and regression is not a straight line event i.e they have ups and downs. We have been trending down since around the Hull home game about April 9th? based on results in particular. I feel its narrow margins and eventually self belief drops a little bit and it can develop into a negative cycle. The team we have is basically the same team (or same ability) that was in progresion from November 2021 to April 2022. To me we need a common sense manager who works hard with the players, tweaks some things, develops a bit more self belief and cutting edge, maybe brings in couple more players in Jan. I thought QPR in August were at best mid table, a team that we matched at their places and they now find themselves equal top. In Feb I thought we outplayed them at their place.
 
If other teams are interested in your manager, he must be doing something right. Take it as a compliment he's doing a good job.

Problem with the Wilder / Burnley situation wasn't the link but the way he refused 3? times to put the rumours to bed. When asked he was prickly and evasive which simply poured fuel on what wasn't even a fire ......but it turned into one, and one which a lot of fans wouldn't forgive him for.

Very poor communication from everyone connected with Boro.
 
Ex Footy Legs said:
Rob edwards has already been chosen but wait a while and tell the fans we’ve interviewed many candidates but he was the best by far.
If he does do that he is making his biggest mistake yet because this is the most important and dangerous moment in our time since 1986.

This appointment is crucial and needs experience at this level and definitely not a novice because these players will run rings around a relative novice
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Your prediction is looking spot on.
 
“We don’t want a yes man, just a man that says yes a lot or he’s gone”

Wilder stopped saying yes, byeeeeeee.
 
Ex Footy Legs said:
Rob edwards has already been chosen but wait a while and tell the fans we’ve interviewed many candidates but he was the best by far.
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Mr Legs: I think you wrote a lot of guff about Carrick and Steve Gibson on your other thread but I said earlier in this thread that your statement had an awful ring of truth to it. I suspect that if you're right you'll be in danger of being labelled a Prophet.

Following Carrick's interview where it is conceivable that he turned us down rather than the reverse, many of the candidates fancied by the bookies have the look [to me at least] of a second choice.
 
RavsDad said:
Mr Legs: I think you wrote a lot of guff about Carrick and Steve Gibson on your other thread but I said earlier in this thread that your statement had an awful ring of truth to it. I suspect that if you're right you'll be in danger of being labelled a Prophet.

Following Carrick's interview where it is conceivable that he turned us down rather than the reverse, many of the candidates fancied by the bookies have the look [to me at least] of a second choice.
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So, wrote a lot of guff and ‘prophet’ don’t really go together 🤣
I’ll take it as a compliment though but given we are managerless still (which I think is a disgrace in and of itself) it’s even clearer that Gibson and Scott had no plans in place whatsoever and are flailing around with an appointment

I know I don’t mince my words and people hate my brusque way of communicating on here but a lot of you also know there’s more than a ring of truth to what I write.

The main reason which backs it up zero communication from anyone within the club to fans because they don’t know what to say…..to us that doesn’t make the criticisms worse towards them….bousor Scott and Gibson
 
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