I have truly mixed feelings over derby...

[MBBoro]

I really fear this is going to bite us in the backside if Derby do ever name a new owner. I imagine who ever it is, the first thing they will be doing is lodging claims against ourselves and the EFL.

 

[uncle_rico]

Derby’s admins issued a statement earlier this aft too. What an "absolute embarrassment" conducing this in public.

An Update From The Joint Administrators Of Derby County Football Club

This statement provides a summary of progress to supporters and the media in respect of Derby County Football Club. As we have previously reported, we are dealing with a large number of sensitive issues and felt that issuing reactive statements in response to the recent statements issued by...

www.dcfc.co.uk

 

[indeedido]

That doesn't mean we have to respond at all but it definitely doesn't mean we have to respond with tripe like this. Might as well have been written in crayon.

Point me to the attacks on his character because I must admit I haven't seen them.

I don't believe Gibson will be making public communications without legal approval on such high profile issues.
I know just how volatile he can be when criticised, I have personal experience of it, but I believe he knows what he is doing.
You may not like his style or his methods Adi, but I would be very surprised if what he is doing has not been through top lawyers.

 

[BoroMart]

Derby’s admins issued a statement earlier this aft too. What an absolute embarrassment conducing this in public.

An Update From The Joint Administrators Of Derby County Football Club

This statement provides a summary of progress to supporters and the media in respect of Derby County Football Club. As we have previously reported, we are dealing with a large number of sensitive issues and felt that issuing reactive statements in response to the recent statements issued by...

www.dcfc.co.uk

agreed, Quantima should be organising to get people around a table and sort it, instead they are playing games, leaking information, blaming other people, absolute shower of a company

 

[TeaCider]

That doesn't mean we have to respond at all but it definitely doesn't mean we have to respond with tripe like this. Might as well have been written in crayon.

Point me to the attacks on his character because I must admit I haven't seen them.

You don't think he should respond when he's being publicly branded as the reason that Derby may be going in to liquidation, when that's not the case?

They've had a debate in parliament over it, the Sun have been printing articles claiming that Middlesbrough are threatening the survival of Derby County, there's been a petition claiming that Middlesbrough are breaking the law by making a claim and trying to get the Sports Minister to intervene.
All the while the administrators are deflecting and pushing the idea that it's only because of the two claims that they're not doing their job properly.

 

[Hap]

Derby’s admins issued a statement earlier this aft too. What an "absolute embarrassment" conducing this in public.

An Update From The Joint Administrators Of Derby County Football Club

This statement provides a summary of progress to supporters and the media in respect of Derby County Football Club. As we have previously reported, we are dealing with a large number of sensitive issues and felt that issuing reactive statements in response to the recent statements issued by...

www.dcfc.co.uk

It's almost as though the Administrator benefits from a long drawn out legal wrangle...

 

[Billy69_uk]

how the flying fook are they getting away without selling their only saleable assets? is the players that other teams might want to buy?

none of this makes any sense, the administrators seem totally inept

 

[Adi_Dem]

Derby’s admins issued a statement earlier this aft too. What an absolute embarrassment conducing this in public.

An Update From The Joint Administrators Of Derby County Football Club

This statement provides a summary of progress to supporters and the media in respect of Derby County Football Club. As we have previously reported, we are dealing with a large number of sensitive issues and felt that issuing reactive statements in response to the recent statements issued by...

www.dcfc.co.uk

By providing that link you're contradicting the point you're trying to make I'm afraid. As administrators of a business like this it is normal for them to communicate withj stakeholders, in this case the fans of the football club. They are, very clearly, not conducting this dispute in public. Compare their language and approach here:

"We do not think it would be helpful, in view of the sensitivity of these matters, to elaborate on the discussions we have been having other than to confirm we are committed to dealing with these claims in the most expeditious manner. They are complex and are heavily disputed. Whilst the two claims have yet to be fully pleaded, we have taken advice from leading law firms and obtained three QC barristers opinions as to the merits of their claims and also the EFL current position.

We have highlighted different ways in which we believe these claims can be dealt with and we are in discussions with the EFL in this regard. As referred above, no interested party is willing to commit to acquiring the club without further clarity on these claims and we continue, tirelessly to find a solution to move matters forward."

With the absolute amateur guff that Gibson has just written.

That is why it's an embarrassment.

I don't believe Gibson will be making public communications without legal approval on such high profile issues.
I know just how volatile he can be when criticised, I have personal experience of it, but I believe he knows what he is doing.
You may not like his style of his methods Adi, but I would be very surprised if what he is doing has not been through top lawyers.

As I said, I'd be astounded if a lawyer either wrote or approved that. Seriously - a multi-million pound company revealing details about personal guarantees, accusing the administrators of not doing their simple job, talking about the administrators' millions in costs. Honestly, you think a lawyer either wrote or greenlighted that?

You don't think he should respond when he's being publicly branded as the reason that Derby may be going in to liquidation, when that's not the case?

They've had a debate in parliament over it, the Sun have been printing articles claiming that Middlesbrough are threatening the survival of Derby County, there, there's been a petition claiming that Middlesbrough are breaking the law by making a claim and trying to get the Sports Minister to intervene.
All the while the administrators are deflecting and pushing the idea that it's only because of the two claims that they're not doing their job properly.

No, I don't. The administrators and the EFL's statement have all been highly professional (irrespective of what you think about their conduct). The sources you quote are tabloid newspapers, MPs and other equally irrelevant third parties. In response we have issued two statements in the last two days which are nothing short of embarrassing, unprofessional and, frankly, dangerous.

 

[Scrug]

I can all but guarantee a lawyer hasn't written that.

I didn’t say a lawyer had. Gibson is an incredibly astute businessman, he wouldn’t release that without running it by his legal team first.

 

[Adi_Dem]

how the flying fook are they getting away without selling their only saleable assets? is the layers that other teams might want to buy?

none of this makes any sense, the administrators seem totally inept

Read my post above for the explanation: it is nowhere near as simple as that.

 

[Hap]

To be fair there was a typo in their Administrator's statement. Given how they're obviously spent so much time crafting it, it's a bit amateur looking itself.

It could be the News site of course. They've spotted it and corrected the last sentence of Point 1. You can see where it was because they've missed the space after the full stop and the new last sentence. (Yes, I'm being fussy).

 

[BoroMart]

Derby’s admins issued a statement earlier this aft too. What an "absolute embarrassment" conducing this in public.

An Update From The Joint Administrators Of Derby County Football Club

This statement provides a summary of progress to supporters and the media in respect of Derby County Football Club. As we have previously reported, we are dealing with a large number of sensitive issues and felt that issuing reactive statements in response to the recent statements issued by...

www.dcfc.co.uk

So what is clear from that is that

a) they do not have a preferred bidder in place
b) the Wycombe and Boro claims are NOT the only things holding proceedings up
c) they have been happy to put out press statements about Boro and Wycombe, now that the two chairman have decided they have the right to reply, they suddenly want it done in private
d) they're starstruck meeting Wayne Rooney
e) they think that they shouldn't have to sell players, despite owing tens of millions of pounds

 

[Adi_Dem]

I didn’t say a lawyer had. Gibson is an incredibly astute businessman, he wouldn’t release that without running it by his legal team first.

Ok, then I would be astounded if a competent lawyer gave that the greenlight.

 

[Adi_Dem]

So what is clear from that is that

a) they do not have a preferred bidder in place
b) the Wycombe and Boro claims are NOT the only things holding proceedings up
c) they have been happy to put out press statements about Boro and Wycombe, now that the two chairman have decided they have the right to reply, they suddenly want it done in private
d) they're starstruck meeting Wayne Rooney
e) they think that they shouldn't have to sell players, despite owing tens of millions of pounds

 

[Billy69_uk]

Read my post above for the explanation: it is nowhere near as simple as that.

I am sure it isnt simple, but its odd that many other clubs in administration have had to sell assets and players to keep the doors open and Derby appear to have done jack 5hit apart from trying to spirit away assets to shell corporations and not pay creditors.

 

[uncle_rico]

I am sure it isnt simple, but its odd that many other clubs in administration have had to sell assets and players to keep the doors open and Derby appear to have done jack 5hit apart from trying to spirit away assets to shell corporations and not pay creditors.

Yep, Derby acquired a couple of Wigan players when they were going through administration themselves. Wigan sold their players to pay off their debts.

 

[RotherhamBoro]

Seems pretty obvious to me he's laying it out in layman's terms to our friends in Derbyshire why we are not the ones to blame for their mess. The message is clear.

He clearly doesn't expect them to answer any of those questions.

And from the amount of grief we're getting from all angles I can see why he's done it (well written or not).

 

[Adi_Dem]

I am sure it isnt simple, but its odd that many other clubs in administration have had to sell assets and players to keep the doors open and Derby appear to have done jack 5hit apart from trying to spirit away assets to shell corporations and not pay creditors.

THeir duty is to the creditors as a whole. What if the offers on the table are, for example, contingent on retention of playing staff? What if offers have been made for players, accepted and then players have refused to leave because of the size of their contracts? What if agenst are telling those players that they would be able to leave for free in liquidation and get a HUGE payday?

 

[TeaCider]

No, I don't. The administrators and the EFL's statement have all been highly professional (irrespective of what you think about their conduct). The sources you quote are tabloid newspapers, MPs and other equally irrelevant third parties. In response we have issued two statements in the last two days which are nothing short of embarrassing, unprofessional and, frankly, dangerous.

You asked for the attacks on his character, I provided them.

I would not consider any of them irrelevant.

If you think he should silently allow the idea that he's trying to wipe Derby out and he's the only thing holding up a takeover be spread, then we clearly have very different views on the situation.

The administrators have been pushing that very idea.

The Wycombe chairman had a public interview to dispute the claims as well.

 

[Billy69_uk]

THeir duty is to the creditors as a whole. What if the offers on the table are, for example, contingent on retention of playing staff? What if offers have been made for players, accepted and then players have refused to leave because of the size of their contracts? What if agenst are telling those players that they would be able to leave for free in liquidation and get a HUGE payday?

I get that and it all make sense, but, from a layman's perspective, it seems like the plan is to hold out for a White Knight to come in and save the day in the long term with little or no regard for short term solvency or liabilities.

I am sure any potential buyers would love to have a full playing squad, but until such point they put some money up, its got b***r all to do with them as creditors go unpaid.