I have truly mixed feelings over derby...

Adi I'd be interested to know how you think it stands with ourselves referring to Derby as cheating.

Derby weren't docked points for their accounting practices after all, the entirety of the two year process into them resulted in a £100k fine with the final commission stating it was found Derby at no point were intentionally misleading to the EFL. With the stadium sale given a full pass.

The subsequent 9 points deduction was for the resulting resubmission of accounts, an entirely seperate case to the cases brought by EFL and ourselves. Therefore, referring to them as 'cheats' does it leave us open to potential counter claims down the line etc. And is this what you were referring to as amateurish? Doesn't feel like an accomplished lawyer had any part in the statement.
 
MBBoro said:
Adi I'd be interested to know how you think it stands with ourselves referring to Derby as cheating.

Derby weren't docked points for their accounting practices after all, the entirety of the two year process into them resulted in a £100k fine with the final commission stating it was found Derby at no point were intentionally misleading to the EFL. With the stadium sale given a full pass.

The subsequent 9 points deduction was for the resulting resubmission of accounts, an entirely seperate case to the cases brought by EFL and ourselves. Therefore, referring to them as 'cheats' does it leave us open to potential counter claims down the line etc. And is this what you were referring to as amateurish? Doesn't feel like an accomplished lawyer had any part in the statement.
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I don't know legally if the word cheat has any connotations, but perhaps Derby would have to prove that breaking the financial rules wasn't done to gain an advantage, which leads to the question why would they do it then
 
MBBoro said:
Adi I'd be interested to know how you think it stands with ourselves referring to Derby as cheating.

Derby weren't docked points for their accounting practices after all, the entirety of the two year process into them resulted in a £100k fine with the final commission stating it was found Derby at no point were intentionally misleading to the EFL. With the stadium sale given a full pass.

The subsequent 9 points deduction was for the resulting resubmission of accounts, an entirely seperate case to the cases brought by EFL and ourselves. Therefore, referring to them as 'cheats' does it leave us open to potential counter claims down the line etc. And is this what you were referring to as amateurish? Doesn't feel like an accomplished lawyer had any part in the statement.
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There are many ways you can define how they cheated the system, for example by having access to players that they couldn't afford within agreed regulations. Doesn't matter if it was intentional or not, but it appears to have been, as they changed teh way they submitted accounts from previous seasons, so it was a conscious decision. The act of 'cheating' defines someone as 'being a cheat'....ergo they are cheats.
 
MBBoro said:
Adi I'd be interested to know how you think it stands with ourselves referring to Derby as cheating.

Derby weren't docked points for their accounting practices after all, the entirety of the two year process into them resulted in a £100k fine with the final commission stating it was found Derby at no point were intentionally misleading to the EFL. With the stadium sale given a full pass.

The subsequent 9 points deduction was for the resulting resubmission of accounts, an entirely seperate case to the cases brought by EFL and ourselves. Therefore, referring to them as 'cheats' does it leave us open to potential counter claims down the line etc. And is this what you were referring to as amateurish? Doesn't feel like an accomplished lawyer had any part in the statement.
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It’s certainly defamatory. The question then becomes whether we have a valid defence, one of which is the statement being true. A basic reading of the definition of that word means that it necessarily involves deception or fraud. To rely on the defence that it is true we would need to be able to show those elements I guess.

But yes that’s one of the reasons I think the whole statement was an amateur move. It doesn’t look like it was written by a lawyer, it’s childlike in parts in terms of its interpretation of the facts and to be honest even making the statement was a mistake in my opinion. We should be better than that.
 
Adi_Dem said:
to be honest even making the statement was a mistake in my opinion. We should be better than that.
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I think we had no choice, it was getting debated in Parliament at pretty short notice - it gave Andy McDonald some quotes and attempt to get MFC's view across... otherwise it would have been all Derby and how we're the bad guys
 
Oooo said:
this from their forum:

"If we ever get out of this mess I think we need to reassess who our true rivals are, Forest are simply down the road and want to see us relegated. Boro on the other hand want to liquidate us.

Honestly, whatever happens I will always have more hatred to Middlesbrough then I ever will Forest."
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Finally we will have rival that hates us more than we hate them!
 
Trugdish said:
I don't know legally if the word cheat has any connotations, but perhaps Derby would have to prove that breaking the financial rules wasn't done to gain an advantage, which leads to the question why would they do it then
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The only reason selling a stadium to a shell company of your owner, that didn't exist until hours prior, wasn't definded as cheating in the rules is because no-one thought anyone would be so morally reprehensible to do such a thing!
 
Teesste said:
www.bbc.co.uk

BBC Radio Derby - Andy Twigge, Middlesbrough fans react to Derby County situation

This is what Middlesbrough fans think about what their owner is doing.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

BBC Radio Derby have been out n about in Middlesbrough speaking to fans about our thoughts on what Gibson is doing with some very leading questions being asked…. Not sure this is a fair and balanced reflection of the answers they will have received though!
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I listened to the whole 4 hours of the Breakfast show on Radio Derby. The reporter interviewed a few 'Boro fans' outside the Riverside at about 7:20 this morning in the rain.

Why would there be any Boro fans there at this time?

She said she even got there before the receptionist, but there was no-one available for comment. This was before 7:30am.

Dave Roberts popped up speaking for all of us, saying he didn't like the use of the word 'cheat'.

I wonder if anyone told her anyone involved with the running of the club would be 15 miles or so away at Rockcliffe.

The whole thing stank of appeasing listeners to Radio Derby.

She even said she can't find any Boro supporters who actually supported Gibson's stance.
 
Cogeur_le_Conq said:
I listened to the whole 4 hours of the Breakfast show on Radio Derby. The reporter interviewed a few 'Boro fans' outside the Riverside at about 7:20 this morning in the rain.

Why would there be any Boro fans there at this time?

She said she even got there before the receptionist, but there was no-one available for comment. This was before 7:30am.

Dave Roberts popped up speaking for all of us, saying he didn't like the use of the word 'cheat'.

I wonder if anyone told her anyone involved with the running of the club would be 15 miles or so away at Rockcliffe.

The whole thing stank of appeasing listeners to Radio Derby.

She even said she can't find any Boro supporters who actually supported Gibson's stance.
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Tell her to pop over to Richmond and I'll gladly give her some perspective.
 
indeedido said:
Tell her to pop over to Richmond and I'll gladly give her some perspective.
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It was horrible having to listen to naff pop songs, suggestions by text for sauce and dips related puns and even two rather long interviews of someone walking a dog.

Granted most breakfast shows around the country will be full of 'kitty gets rescued from tree' stories, but they really shouldn't attempt to do serious, out in the field, investigative reporting.

They really pushed the issue of MFC and Wycombe being the cause of their ills. Even though both camps said the administrators are not to be trusted.
 
Cogeur_le_Conq said:
I listened to the whole 4 hours of the Breakfast show on Radio Derby. The reporter interviewed a few 'Boro fans' outside the Riverside at about 7:20 this morning in the rain.

Why would there be any Boro fans there at this time?

She said she even got there before the receptionist, but there was no-one available for comment. This was before 7:30am.

Dave Roberts popped up speaking for all of us, saying he didn't like the use of the word 'cheat'.

I wonder if anyone told her anyone involved with the running of the club would be 15 miles or so away at Rockcliffe.

The whole thing stank of appeasing listeners to Radio Derby.

She even said she can't find any Boro supporters who actually supported Gibson's stance.
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she can interview me, more than happy to put other views across than the ones she reported
 
Cogeur_le_Conq said:
This blogger is short and to the point...

offsiderulepodcast.com

Ongoing Derby drama proves yet again that football is rich in cash and poor in solidarity

Derby’s negotiations with Middlesbrough and Wycombe Wanderers show what can happen when success becomes less about football and more about finances, writes Laura Lawrence. When is a football debt n…
offsiderulepodcast.com offsiderulepodcast.com
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interesting take, but where was the solidarity from derby when they tried to destroy FFP which is in everybody's interests to, you know, ensure that clubs don't go into administration or liquidation?? Funny that isn't it, break FFP repeatedly and try and hide it, get caught out, and suddenly you have enormous debts and face not existing......maybe you should have followed the rules to prevent yourself from such self harm,
 
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Cogeur_le_Conq said:
I listened to the whole 4 hours of the Breakfast show on Radio Derby. The reporter interviewed a few 'Boro fans' outside the Riverside at about 7:20 this morning in the rain.

Why would there be any Boro fans there at this time?

She said she even got there before the receptionist, but there was no-one available for comment. This was before 7:30am.

Dave Roberts popped up speaking for all of us, saying he didn't like the use of the word 'cheat'.

I wonder if anyone told her anyone involved with the running of the club would be 15 miles or so away at Rockcliffe.

The whole thing stank of appeasing listeners to Radio Derby.

She even said she can't find any Boro supporters who actually supported Gibson's stance.
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If she's at the ground on 12th February she might find over 25k that support Gibbo
 
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