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These people exist!
I’m gullible
I believed Steve Gibson when he said he wanted to smash the league.
That doesn't really have any resemblance to what I said. I stated that the idea that europe, immigrants and single mothers are the route of all our problems and that certain manifestos claim that they will solve this (despite not solving them in the previous 2 elections). If people choose Tory for other reasons, that's a different point. My point was that a large swathe of the population bought into this nonsense and are still buying into it. That doesn't make me gullible in any way shape or form, stop with the false equivalencesYou also have to look at the other side though and realise that not everyone that votes differently to you does it because they are thick, racist, selfish or gullible. There is not always a right or wrong answer. There are things you prioritise above other things that other people don't and different people can come to different decisions with the same information. Believing that is just as gullible as them believing the things they do.
I'm still waiting for the brexit merits, all data suggests it was an act of self harm.Too many people think their decision is right and they have to have a reason for everyone else making different decisions to them without stepping back and wondering if maybe the alternative view has some merits.
I wasn't questioning your specific reasons for voting for whatever. I'm saying that the opposing views to yours think the same way about you and the choices you make. They think you are gullible and a fool for believing any of it. Choices are often binary but the reasons for falling on one side of the other aren't and assuming that everyone voted for something when there are very few options on our voting cards isn't useful. I disagree with a huge amount of things the Tories say and do but they have some policies that I do agree with and I'm not going to dismiss those policies because they are Tory policy and agreeing with some of their policies doesn't make me a Tory or gullible or selfish or a racist etc. There will be lots of actual Tory voters in a similar situation that believe in economic conservatism but not necessarily social conservatism or vice versa. If the economy is the thing they prioritise the most then all of the other things they might not agree with but voting Tory is their only way of ensuring the type of economic management they agree with. Same as I will probably vote for Starmer's Labour even though I massively disagree with the way he is positioning them but the things that are most important to me are better off with a Labour government than a Tory government.That doesn't really have any resemblance to what I said. I stated that the idea that europe, immigrants and single mothers are the route of all our problems and that certain manifestos claim that they will solve this (despite not solving them in the previous 2 elections). If people choose Tory for other reasons, that's a different point. My point was that a large swathe of the population bought into this nonsense and are still buying into it. That doesn't make me gullible in any way shape or form, stop with the false equivalences
I'm still waiting for the brexit merits, all data suggests it was an act of self harm.
I'm still waiting for austerity to create a better britain with a better financial footing.....all data states that we have more debt and worse services to boot.
I'm still waiting for crack down on illegal immigrants to solve the NHS waiting lists.....all evidence is that no effort to stop illegal immigration has been successful or improved failing NHS waiting lists
etc. etc.
Austerity, brexit, fighting illegal immigration, blaming single mothers as the cause of our issues.....My view is that none of this led to an improvement in our economy, happiness, serivces, or national psyche. There is plenty of data to back up that I am right in my view. There are no merits in continuing down that path, with a vote for Reform, it's just the same failed and to be honest manipulative and dishonest ideology as we've had from the Tories for 14 years... small state, **** services, blame foreigners, deflect from the real issues, allow businesses and multi-millionaires more access to the levers of power, treat people like dirt to be manipulated for the wealth of the few. I'm happy to ridicule people that go down that continued route, who was it that said the sign of insanity is doing the same things and expecting a different result.
It wasn't Einstein but there are enough people that are gullible enough to believe it was...I'm happy to ridicule people that go down that continued route, who was it that said the sign of insanity is doing the same things and expecting a different result.
I agree to some extent but people are probably not gullible as such, but lazy.Re: Brexit. This is a great example where there were huge amounts of people that were 50:50 on the decision that now get lumped in to an all or nothing binary position. There were lots of people that voted Brexit and could have easily voted remain but there were also lots of people that voted remain and could have easily voted brexit. Assuming that all 48% of remainers were as adamant that remain was the right choice as yourself is wrong. As was assuming all 52% of brexiteers were gullible racists.
Thinking brexit is all one thing and being unable to debate the individual points of it is a big reason Brexit won. People voted for brexit even if they didn't agree with it 100%, same as remain. There were things the brexiteers wanted that used to be perfectly acceptable discussion points, such as controls on immigration, that got people entrenched on a binary all things brexit = good or bad. At the election before brexit Ed Milliband had Controls on Immigration as one of the pledges on his stone which shows it was something that was important to people and there were choices other than brexit for solving that. Turning it into a immigration is good/bad debate led to brexit winning and then not being able to implement anything without an all or nothing position because nobody would move on meant we ended up with the most extreme tory version of brexit. Not being able to understand that immigration isn't good or bad because immigration isn't a single thing and each person within the entire system has different reasons why they think immigration is good or bad doesn't help anyone. It allows the argument to be debated by the extremes when the majority of people are somewhere in the middle.
All views are not equal and I refuse to treat them as such. That's the problem with the internet, a harvard professor and someone with 2 GCSEs have an equal voice and equal audience.I'm saying that the opposing views to yours think the same way about you and the choices you make.
'Their' points are moot, if they think that 14 years of austerity has led to a better economy, if they think that immigration is the cause of all our issues, if they think that brexit has worked then they lack the critical thinking to have a proper debate on the subject. Awareness and belief of their own thoughts is really an irrelevance, everyone has the right to their views, but without critical thinking, evidence based feedback loop analysis, they're just emotive word-farts. I value data, information, knowledge and wisdom way way above feelings which are much easier to manipulate.They think you are gullible and a fool for believing any of it.
That's true. You'd also have to be gullible to think that anyone voted for brexit because of that bus and yet people are still talking about it 8 years on.I agree to some extent but people are probably not gullible as such, but lazy.
It's easily provable that the £350m figure was wrong and you're lazy if you don't check that. You're guilty of being gullible if you then believed that would go towards the NHS instead.
Gibson is an easy target in this case as the 'smash the league' became the headline, which I imagine he wanted it to be, to encourage supporters to stay with the club.He did want to smash the league.
He never promised that we would; the belief that he did led to accusations of lying
It was a pi55 take my friend, but many thanks for clearing that up, and in the meantime whoosh…..He did want to smash the league.
He never promised that we would; the belief that he did led to accusations of lying
I know people who said they did. Am I gullible for believing them?That's true. You'd also have to be gullible to think that anyone voted for brexit because of that bus and yet people are still talking about it 8 years on.
Yes, I think so. The bus was called out as false before the referendum vote. It didn't come to light after the event. It was immediate. Even if people believed it on first seeing it there was constant coverage about it afterwards and the chances they based their entire decision solely on what was written on the bus, even after knowing it was not factually correct, seems like it is more likely that they are winding you up.I know people who said they did. Am I gullible for believing them?
Wasn't Liz Truss by any chance?
Boris Johnson was proven to be a liar many times before the general election.Yes, I think so. The bus was called out as false before the referendum vote. It didn't come to light after the event. It was immediate. Even if people believed it on first seeing it there was constant coverage about it afterwards and the chances they based their entire decision solely on what was written on the bus, even after knowing it was not factually correct, seems like it is more likely that they are winding you up.
They haven't been economically conservative though, they're libertarians, trashing social systems, selling off state assets corruptly and without any strategic plan to pick up the pieces of the negative impact on society.There will be lots of actual Tory voters in a similar situation that believe in economic conservatism but not necessarily social conservatism or vice versa......If the economy is the thing they prioritise the most then all of the other things they might not agree with but voting Tory is their only way of ensuring the type of economic management they agree with.
In which case, why did people repeatedly spout it at the time, clearly some people did think, don't pay 350m a week into the EU = £350m more into the NHS.That's true. You'd also have to be gullible to think that anyone voted for brexit because of that bus and yet people are still talking about it 8 years on.