How easy are the far right to control and manipulate?

SmallTown

SmallTown

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This week we have seen them going mental over a female boxer and starting huge anti trans attacks based on someone who isn't even and trans.
And we they have been manipulated into racially motivated riots against islam because someone from a Christian country stabbed children .

It's sad that they have so much hate and misery in their souls that the likes of Farage can con them like this
 
SmallTown said:
This week we have seen them going mental over a female boxer and starting huge anti trans attacks based on someone who isn't even and trans.
And we they have been manipulated into racially motivated riots against islam because someone from a Christian country stabbed children .

It's sad that they have so much hate and misery in their souls that the likes of Farage can con them like this
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I was part of a debate recently in which those of a left wing persuasion were questioning the sex issue, it's not limited to the right wing members of society.
 
SmallTown said:
This week we have seen them going mental over a female boxer and starting huge anti trans attacks based on someone who isn't even and trans.
And we they have been manipulated into racially motivated riots against islam because someone from a Christian country stabbed children .

It's sad that they have so much hate and misery in their souls that the likes of Farage can con them like this
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The network is very sophisticated though.
Accounts use great imagery to portray false scenarios which, in fairness, are really easy to believe.

Within hours of the Southport stabbing there was a video showing what appeared to be Muslim men waving machetes is London.
Those who are targeted by these accounts just see their reality and respond.

The harsh facts are there are millions of people out there who are rampant racists and they see their moment.

This ought to be a time for the rest of us to stand up and be counted - there are more of us than them.
That requires leadership and cooperation.

Sadly, Farage and senior Tories are, at best, in the bunker and, it worst, stirring it up.

I’d love to see the rest of the leaders, and good Tories, address the country together to condemn what is going on instead of leaving it to Labour.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
I was part of a debate recently in which those of a left wing persuasion were questioning the sex issue, it's not limited to the right wing members of society.
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That's true. Anti trans crowd seem to be a bit of a broader church. Just the right wing seem to all be anti trans. Which is no suprise
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
There weren't any anti trans speakers at the debate.
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Corcaigh, from what I can tell from on here you are involved in local grass roots politics, just wondering what you are hearing from the ground about the rise of the far right, is it been taken seriously and what are the thoughts from people on how to best tackle it, really worries me to be honest that people become complacent and they continue to have influence
 
Chris_Boro said:
It's very easy when the truth is irrelevant.
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Yeah that's part of it isn't it? As the saying goes a lie gets halfway around the world whilst the truth is still pulling on it's trousers. Social media has made this worse. It does she that the far right suffer worse with lack of critical thinking. They always fall for the lies
 
Fattyfoggon said:
Corcaigh, from what I can tell from on here you are involved in local grass roots politics, just wondering what you are hearing from the ground about the rise of the far right, is it been taken seriously and what are the thoughts from people on how to best tackle it, really worries me to be honest that people become complacent and they continue to have influence
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I was leafletting yesterday, dropping off Labour newsletters. There were a few, all young, households where they made sure that I knew they were Reform supporters, only one was polite.

I'm reading on Facebook that some of my football connections are going to be at the Cenotaph tomorrow and they're organising transport.

It's very real and for me, very dangerous. Canvassing in traditional Labour areas during the election was hard. They're talking openly about a revolution coming and they're going to be backed by big money from overseas as well as here.

We returned Labour MPs across Teesside but vote share isn't looking good. The turnout tells us that we need a party with policies to unite the country and offer hope.
 
1finny said:
I’d go further.
Firstly, we have to find a way to get to the truth. That’s no easy task.
Then we have to find a way to communicate it.

Trust has been destroyed in the last 10 years or so and will take a long time to rebuild.
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To many of these racist knuckle draggers, the truth is completely ignored or denied. Even if it's irrefutable and easy to communicate, they'll just devolve it to "woke" or lefty activism etc.

Others just want someone/thing to blame for whatever in their life isn't going their way and confirmation bias kicks in when the likes of Farage spew their bile.
 
Chris_Boro said:
To many of these racist knuckle draggers, the truth is completely ignored or denied. Even if it's irrefutable and easy to communicate, they'll just devolve it to "woke" or lefty activism etc.

Others just want someone/thing to blame for whatever in their life isn't going their way and confirmation bias kicks in when the likes of Farage spew their bile.
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Farage is a good political operator. He's managed to stoke up support from former Labour strongholds across the country.

There's now an opportunity for a leader from the left to stand up and hold him to account, but they have to be given the platform to do it. Somebody who is going to be vociferous about the connection between the violence we're seeing and Reform under Farage. Tiptoeing around isn't going to do any good.

Labour need to get into the BBC and wipe the floor with those who have allowed the right to dominate the news programming. Clear out the board, they're a corrupt bunch of right wingers who have made sure their people hold the important jobs.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Farage is a good political operator. He's managed to stoke up support from former Labour strongholds across the country.

There's now an opportunity for a leader from the left to stand up and hold him to account, but they have to be given the platform to do it. Somebody who is going to be vociferous about the connection between the violence we're seeing and Reform under Farage. Tiptoeing around isn't going to do any good.

Labour need to get into the BBC and wipe the floor with those who have allowed the right to dominate the news programming. Clear out the board, they're a corrupt bunch of right wingers who have made sure their people hold the important jobs.
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Farage regularly gets shown up whenever he appears on TV and he will in Parliament. Labour or anyone from the left are not going to get into the media in which those like Farage predominantly operate and those that view it, already dismiss the likes of the BBC.

The point I'm making is the truth, no matter who or where it's broadcast, is irrelevant to those who simply refuse to acknowledge it. They don't want too, their opinion is too entrenched.
 
It is dangerous to assume that the only problem is racists being manipulated. If they were so gullible then why can't Labour convince them that their way is the right way like they used to? The people in this category are mostly from the same demographic which is white, working class former Labour core voters. Those people have not only been abandoned by Labour but also told that their concerns aren't valid and they are just racist.

During Brexit there were people with barely two pennies to rub together being told that their concerns were fake and they had never had it so good. They then look elsewhere for answers and the only people talking to them are Farage and co. Immigration can be wonderful but if you have nothing and you find your communities being diluted by people that are different to you. Services having to be shared, longer waits for appropriate sized housing, teachers not having enough time because they have to interpret for kids that don't speak English, being unable to see a GP or a dentist then it's hard to argue that the extra people that keep arriving are not part of the problem. They aren't the problem but numerically they are a part of the problem.

It rarely affects people like me because I live in a nice area, have a good job, good access to housing, schools aren't oversubscribed and getting a GP is easy so it's easy for me to dismiss other people's concerns but it doesn't make their concerns invalid.

Labour should be concentrating on this demographic. They need, and benefit most, from policies that put the poorest in society first. Farage is the wrong solution to the problem but he's at least taking their language, they just don't realise that he wouldn't actually help them if he was to be in charge because he is just using them for his own gain.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
I was leafletting yesterday, dropping off Labour newsletters. There were a few, all young, households where they made sure that I knew they were Reform supporters, only one was polite.

I'm reading on Facebook that some of my football connections are going to be at the Cenotaph tomorrow and they're organising transport.

It's very real and for me, very dangerous. Canvassing in traditional Labour areas during the election was hard. They're talking openly about a revolution coming and they're going to be backed by big money from overseas as well as here.

We returned Labour MPs across Teesside but vote share isn't looking good. The turnout tells us that we need a party with policies to unite the country and offer hope.
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Yeah, I am no expert on political matters pretty naive tbh but I read some where that in the likes of the France they were blaming Macron for his centralist policies that were not radical enough to help or satisfy the traditional working class and disenfranchised voters and the right were filling the gap with their populist views, maybe Labour need to be more radical with their policies and take a risk to show they are different fro the other centralist parties and will help people. I am not one to protest either but I thinking standing up and fighting against fascism is pretty important right now
 
SmallTown said:
This week we have seen them going mental over a female boxer and starting huge anti trans attacks based on someone who isn't even and trans.
And we they have been manipulated into racially motivated riots against islam because someone from a Christian country stabbed children .

It's sad that they have so much hate and misery in their souls that the likes of Farage can con them like this
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Has the ill informed argument on the boxing thread died down so much that you've had to start another thread to breath new life into it 😁
 
I’d love for them to publish the surnames of those on the far-right who cry about immigration. I’m willing to bet at least 50% of them are a result of immigration themselves.
 
I'd say about as easy as the far-left. That's the problem with the extremes - they're reactionary. The slightest little thing can set them off.
 
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