Joy_Division_Oven_Gloves
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And MPs ‘joking’ about putting bombs at the Brighton hotel during the Labour Party conference
How can we deal with the growing hate within the Uk
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festa5
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You're seriously saying our current PM (and government) isnt a big part of the problem? Jesus wept.
Pak_Doo_Ik
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Very true Erimus, I think you are the one of the most respected posters on here and you've even had more than your fair share of abuse because your opinions on certain political decisions don't suit the majority.
Sometimes we need to look in a mirror and evaluate what we see before we scorn others.
BoroMart
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He had the opportunity to tone things down and show reconciliation in the aftermath of Jo Cox....he doubled down with the rhetoric
BoroMart
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'Boris' was shagging about while his wife was at chemotherapy, feel free to provide a term you deem more appropriate to define the qualities of Johnson.
jonny_greenings_sock
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Ease of communication, isolation and anonymity.
I think spending more time with each other is what cures hate. Like Sheriff said we’ve already become so isolated in our online echo chambers before a global pandemic which has kept us apart from people for the best part of two years.
I guarantee though, any two people from this board could get together for a pint and have a laugh, find common ground, get along on 99% of things. I’ve had a nice time with plenty of people whose views on one thing I find utterly repellant, but the person behind it, like the rest of us, are quite nice really. People are far more than the sum of their most controversial views, but online communication filters out all of that and just leaves you with the extreme bit (which usually isn’t very well communicated anyway, because typing a tweet isn’t a normal way to communicate).
It’s also so easy to be hateful and abusive and extreme online. If, 20 years ago, you wanted to send racist abuse to a footballer or a threat to an MP in your lowest moment, you’d have to type a letter, print it out and post it, and at some point you’d probably realise that it was a bad idea. Now you can fire off an Instagram DM in seconds with no consequences. Technology has moved really fast and our brains / social codes haven’t caught up.
And yeah, for sure political parties stoke this division, fear, feeling of unfairness for their gain because it’s a powerful emotion and much easier to do that than work hard to fix the problems. And yeah, they’re usually right wing parties like the Conservatives and the Republicans and the Bolsonaros of the world, I don’t mind saying that because it’s true. Go back and watch Donald Trump’s inauguration speech again and it’s terrifying, he paints this picture of the world being overwhelmed by darkness and America being under siege and all that. Nonsense, but powerful, if you’re already a bit disenfranchised and unhappy with your life - which a hell of a lot of us are.
I think the way we cure hate is all to get out more and put our phones down for a bit. Says me posting on an anonymous internet messageboard.
I think spending more time with each other is what cures hate. Like Sheriff said we’ve already become so isolated in our online echo chambers before a global pandemic which has kept us apart from people for the best part of two years.
I guarantee though, any two people from this board could get together for a pint and have a laugh, find common ground, get along on 99% of things. I’ve had a nice time with plenty of people whose views on one thing I find utterly repellant, but the person behind it, like the rest of us, are quite nice really. People are far more than the sum of their most controversial views, but online communication filters out all of that and just leaves you with the extreme bit (which usually isn’t very well communicated anyway, because typing a tweet isn’t a normal way to communicate).
It’s also so easy to be hateful and abusive and extreme online. If, 20 years ago, you wanted to send racist abuse to a footballer or a threat to an MP in your lowest moment, you’d have to type a letter, print it out and post it, and at some point you’d probably realise that it was a bad idea. Now you can fire off an Instagram DM in seconds with no consequences. Technology has moved really fast and our brains / social codes haven’t caught up.
And yeah, for sure political parties stoke this division, fear, feeling of unfairness for their gain because it’s a powerful emotion and much easier to do that than work hard to fix the problems. And yeah, they’re usually right wing parties like the Conservatives and the Republicans and the Bolsonaros of the world, I don’t mind saying that because it’s true. Go back and watch Donald Trump’s inauguration speech again and it’s terrifying, he paints this picture of the world being overwhelmed by darkness and America being under siege and all that. Nonsense, but powerful, if you’re already a bit disenfranchised and unhappy with your life - which a hell of a lot of us are.
I think the way we cure hate is all to get out more and put our phones down for a bit. Says me posting on an anonymous internet messageboard.
Erimus74
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Thanks Pak_Doo_Ik, appreciate that, though i've said things i've later regretted
Theyalwaysletyoudown
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This entire thread seems to be presuming a motive for this murder that is not yet proven but appears to be counter to the emerging theory anyway.
Randy
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The most sensibly put post on this site in weeks.
Politics needs to lead from the front and remember they serve us, not the other way round.
swordtrombonefish
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Amen.
People, quite rightly, get triggered when they can see (proven) untruths and obfuscation being pedaled out on a daily basis. This is something very 'un British', but unfortunately now a key part of our political system. A bit like diving in Football; many countries see it as the 'theater of football', we just see it as cheating and react as such.
r00fie1
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The debate about "hate" needs to be widened beyond a "political" (?) focus.
Its significant that the death of an MP doing his job, has triggered a serious discussion which focuses on the very core of "our" society.
I`l give you an example of how "society" grades "crime" and discrimination:
i. Against different ethnic groups,
ii. People of different gender and sexuality.
iii.Violence against women.
iv.Prejudice and violence towards refugees and asylum seekers.
v. Concerted attacks on the most vulnerable and the poor in "our" society.
Violence against people because of their sexuality (ii) is commonplace, yet under the radar - the "media" ignore it, which effectively perpetuates homophobic violence, by its covert dismissal of its significance. Denial.
Here`s an example:
A recent headline from Pink News. https://twitter.com/pinknews?lang=en
Birmingham leaders have announced proposals to tackle the spate of homophobic attacks in and around the Gay Village.
A raft of new measures includes increased police patrols and a £200,000 funding injection to support victims of hate crime. The possibility of a 24 hour public transport service is also being examined.
The plans were announced by West Midlands mayor Andy Street, Birmingham Council leader Ian Ward and the West Midlands crime commissioner Simon Foster, who were prompted to take action following the latest attack on Sunday (10 October).
John-Paul Kesseler was left with blood pouring down his face after being beaten with a wine bottle and an iron bar, simply for holding another man’s hand in the street.
This latest attack followed reports of a gay couple being beaten with glass bottles and a victim of another suspected homophobic attack almost losing his sight, among others.
With Birmingham’s LGBT+ community feeling frightened and anxious in the wake of the assaults, the three leaders united in a joint statement condemning the violence.
“The recent abhorrent, vicious homophobic attacks in Birmingham disgust the three of us in equal measure,” they said.
“For someone to be assaulted because of who they are or who they love is simply not acceptable. But hate will not win and our message to the homophobes is that they do not represent Birmingham and they never will. Everyone has a right to feel safe on our streets, no matter where they are, day or night.”
West Midlands Police has already increased patrols in and around the Gay Village, they said, and the police and crime commissioner has commissioned a new £200,000 service to support victims of hate crime.
“Meanwhile, Birmingham City Council is providing free hate crime training to businesses at Southside venues as well as helping to develop a space open to anyone who may be feeling vulnerable when out and about in the Gay Village and the local area,” the statement continued.
“The West Midlands Combined Authority has been working with Southside Bid and other partners to look at issues such as CCTV and 24/7 public transport to improve night-time safety in the area.”
The city leaders concluded with a message of inclusivity, stating firmly: “We are a diverse city. We are an inclusive city. We are a city that says no to crimes like these.
Its significant that the death of an MP doing his job, has triggered a serious discussion which focuses on the very core of "our" society.
I`l give you an example of how "society" grades "crime" and discrimination:
i. Against different ethnic groups,
ii. People of different gender and sexuality.
iii.Violence against women.
iv.Prejudice and violence towards refugees and asylum seekers.
v. Concerted attacks on the most vulnerable and the poor in "our" society.
Violence against people because of their sexuality (ii) is commonplace, yet under the radar - the "media" ignore it, which effectively perpetuates homophobic violence, by its covert dismissal of its significance. Denial.
Here`s an example:
A recent headline from Pink News. https://twitter.com/pinknews?lang=en
Birmingham leaders announce major steps to combat spike of anti-LGBT+ violence
Emma Powys Maurice October 15, 2021Birmingham leaders have announced proposals to tackle the spate of homophobic attacks in and around the Gay Village.
A raft of new measures includes increased police patrols and a £200,000 funding injection to support victims of hate crime. The possibility of a 24 hour public transport service is also being examined.
The plans were announced by West Midlands mayor Andy Street, Birmingham Council leader Ian Ward and the West Midlands crime commissioner Simon Foster, who were prompted to take action following the latest attack on Sunday (10 October).
John-Paul Kesseler was left with blood pouring down his face after being beaten with a wine bottle and an iron bar, simply for holding another man’s hand in the street.
This latest attack followed reports of a gay couple being beaten with glass bottles and a victim of another suspected homophobic attack almost losing his sight, among others.
With Birmingham’s LGBT+ community feeling frightened and anxious in the wake of the assaults, the three leaders united in a joint statement condemning the violence.
“The recent abhorrent, vicious homophobic attacks in Birmingham disgust the three of us in equal measure,” they said.
“For someone to be assaulted because of who they are or who they love is simply not acceptable. But hate will not win and our message to the homophobes is that they do not represent Birmingham and they never will. Everyone has a right to feel safe on our streets, no matter where they are, day or night.”
West Midlands Police has already increased patrols in and around the Gay Village, they said, and the police and crime commissioner has commissioned a new £200,000 service to support victims of hate crime.
“Meanwhile, Birmingham City Council is providing free hate crime training to businesses at Southside venues as well as helping to develop a space open to anyone who may be feeling vulnerable when out and about in the Gay Village and the local area,” the statement continued.
“The West Midlands Combined Authority has been working with Southside Bid and other partners to look at issues such as CCTV and 24/7 public transport to improve night-time safety in the area.”
The city leaders concluded with a message of inclusivity, stating firmly: “We are a diverse city. We are an inclusive city. We are a city that says no to crimes like these.
American_Mary
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Whilst I’m in no way disagreeing with division starting at the top being a major cause of issues within this country, I would counter that we on this board should be part of the change if we no longer want this to continue, if we don’t we are part of the problem not part of the solution, I think at times there’s hostility towards each other that’s unnecessary, whilst it’s there on many subjects it seems to coalesce and fully form on those on political matters, perhaps we should all try and be more respectful of each other, try posting in a conversational tone and not shout, never post in anger and change the cultural of ad hominem attacks and focus on the message, the excuse that one side or another does it should not wash.
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Jedi boro
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As I said in my op it looks like the motivation for this heinous act may well be terror related but then as I said MPs are regularly reporting hundreds of death threats and the mood in this country is very volatile at the moment.
so it’s a wider debate than yesterday’s attack.
Wiseman_Vaughn
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If you consider where the attacks are coming from - Islamist extemists, far right, whatever, there is one thing in common. They all want to impose their minority views on the masses and do not believe in democracy.
Actively supporting democracy and reviewing what democracy means would be a good start.
Actively supporting democracy and reviewing what democracy means would be a good start.
NYboro
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It would be a really good start if we actually had a democratic system of government.
Christ that's rich!!! Granted ST isn't a politician