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It really isn't rocket science, but Boro are past masters at getting it wrong:

Truth is, when the team is doing well, many of the issues drop off the radar and fans are just waiting for the next game (as last season). Most seasons however, we don't qualify for the play-off's and this leads on to questioning ticket prices.
We are amongst the most expensive in the country for ST's and the surcharge strategy for new ST's is brain-dead idiotic and the walk-up prices absolutely scandalous, I'm actually ashamed of them. Our overall strategic model is clearly a failure, as we charge supporters more than nearly all other clubs in our division, yet most seasons end with us outside of the top 6.
I've stated previously, the fee for Kavanagh could have been used to offset ST increases, or a fraction of the Rogers fee, or some of the Crooks fee. Nobody can claim that 600k is going to put a season defining dent in our so called 'war chest'.

Communication is abject from MFC, from the utterly tone-deaf renewal email (more of a threatening letter) to the meetings with fan 'representatives'. Those meetings are really riling people, as the perception is that they are more secretive than a North Korean war cabinet get together.

The retail operation is barely fit for purpose, yet on the Q&A to the Retail Manager, we were all basically informed that we were mistaken and didn't understand some of the complexities etc. Well guess what, some of the posters have worked in retail and at a high level for respected companies and just happen to have a modicum of knowledge and experience, enough to identify we sell old-fashioned tat at premium prices (when in stock!). The replies to many queries were pedantic and condescending and in some cases, plain wrong - mirroring recent comms from the club.

Travelling to away games, the club charge absolute top dollar for coach tickets, yet the standard of coach is very basic for this day and age - no phone charging etc, which is pretty standard. We always hear of clubs putting on free coaches, particularly on very long journeys. Plymouth away? a Pukka pie was provided. We have never offered the odd free coach initiative, making us an outlier when compared to our competitors.

Outside away stadiums and in the concourses, 'smaller' clubs are miles ahead of us, in terms of speed of service, choice, street food stalls etc. The Fan Zone has been an undoubted success - brilliant, so expand it, put a giant sail over it for wet weather, get some heaters in, big screens...this is basic retail acumen, to improve and build on a successful model. Knowing MFC, it'll be the same in 2044.

The club cannot reasonably be expected to respond to every gripe, observation, criticism etc, but some of these things are easy wins, basic business sense, decent customer service.
It is so very disappointing that my club have a very clear 'circle the wagons' auto response to any and all questioning, it is as if every question or observation or suggestion is automatically wrong.

I am in no doubt that the (pathetic) reduction from £19 to £15 for a CHILD'S ticket, was not offered due to Gibson being altruistic all of a sudden, nor seeing the light...it was because we had Norwich at home coming up live on Sky, with an organised walk-out planned.

Now we couldn't have that could we...

Long ramble so apologies, but it is so incredibly frustrating from our club, when there are some clear and obvious solutions to recent discord.

As a previous boss once said to me, "there are quite a few things on your head - hair, eyebrows, nose, mouth, teeth, lips...
start using your ears.
 
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I meant people who are very prepared to challenge him and be unafraid of the reaction,
People who aren’t tingling with excitement merely being granted an audience.
Does that answer your query?

Not really, you could also say defensive, antagonistic and commutative judging by some of your posts on here with regards to Gibson and the club.

You're also assuming that the current group dont challenge him, even though we also complain about the veil of secrecy in relation to these meetings....
 
It really isn't rocket science, but Boro are past masters at getting it wrong:

Truth is, when the team is doing well, many of the issues drop off the radar and fans are just waiting for the next game (as last season). Most seasons however, we don't qualify for the play-off's and this leads on to questioning ticket prices.
We are amongst the most expensive in the country for ST's and the surcharge strategy for new ST's is brain-dead idiotic and the walk-up prices absolutely scandalous, I'm actually ashamed of them. Our overall strategic model is clearly a failure, as we charge supporters more than nearly all other clubs in our division, yet most seasons end with us outside of the top 6.
I've stated previously, the fee for Kavanagh could have been used to offset ST increases, or a fraction of the Rogers fee, or some of the Crooks fee. Nobody can claim that 600k is going to put a season defining dent in our so called 'war chest'.

Communication is abject from MFC, from the utterly tone-deaf renewal email (more of a threatening letter) to the meetings with fan 'representatives'. Those meetings are really riling people, as the perception is that they are more secretive than a North Korean war cabinet get together.

The retail operation is barely fit for purpose, yet on the Q&A to the Retail Manager, we were all basically informed that we were mistaken and didn't understand some of the complexities etc. Well guess what, some of the posters have worked in retail and at a high level for respected companies and just happen to have a modicum of knowledge and experience, enough to identify we sell old-fashioned tat at premium prices (when in stock!). The replies to many queries were pedantic and condescending and in some cases, plain wrong - mirroring recent comms from the club.

Travelling to away games, the club charge absolute top dollar for coach tickets, yet the standard of coach is very basic for this day and age - no phone charging etc, which is pretty standard. We always hear of clubs putting on free coaches, particularly on very long journeys. Plymouth away? a Pukka pie was provided. We have never offered the odd free coach initiative, making us an outlier when compared to our competitors.

Outside away stadiums and in the concourses, 'smaller' clubs are miles ahead of us, in terms of speed of service, choice, street food stalls etc. The Fan Zone has been an undoubted success - brilliant, so expand it, put a giant sail over it for wet weather, get some heaters in, big screens...this is basic retail acumen, to improve and build on a successful model. Knowing MFC, it'll be the same in 2044.

The club cannot reasonably be expected to respond to every gripe, observation, criticism etc, but some of these things are easy wins, basic business sense, decent customer service.
It is so very disappointing that my club have a very clear 'circle the wagons' auto response to any and all questioning, it is as if every question or observation or suggestion is automatically wrong.

I am in no doubt that the (pathetic) reduction from £19 to £15 for a CHILD'S ticket, was not offered due to Gibson being altruistic all of a sudden, nor seeing the light...it was because we had Norwich at home coming up live on Sky, with an organised walk-out planned.

Now we couldn't have that could we...

Long ramble so apologies, but it is so incredibly frustrating from our club, when there are some clear and obvious solutions to recent discord.

As a previous boss once said to me, "there are quite a few things on your head - hair, eyebrows, nose, mouth, teeth, lips...
start using your ears.
Spot on.
 
Not really, you could also say defensive, antagonistic and commutative judging by some of your posts on here with regards to Gibson and the club.

You're also assuming that the current group dont challenge him, even though we also complain about the veil of secrecy in relation to these meetings....
All we know about the meetings is what we are told and we most often get Rob coming back taking the club's side and defending the club's decisions. No follow-up questions or any evidence needed, just Gibson's politician-like soundbites and some irrelevance about how passionate he is. Everything Gibson says is taken as gospel.

I wouldn't expect Gibson to know the ins and outs of every decision being made but someone at the club should be able to provide it. There must be someone in the finance/analytics team that has some information on how they calculate things. Bausor should know these things and be able to speak and defend them. We never hear from him. Bausor is so anonymous that when you search for him on Google you get a picture of Gary Monk!

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Not really, you could also say defensive, antagonistic and commutative judging by some of your posts on here with regards to Gibson and the club.

You're also assuming that the current group dont challenge him, even though we also complain about the veil of secrecy in relation to these meetings....
What am I defensive about?

If I am commutative, why would I not ridicule the SC value for money, the justification of a EB price increase, or for that matter regularly highlight the good times, the successes and Gibson’s role in that?
Or did you not quite understand your choice of word?
 
"You're also assuming that the current group dont challenge him"

Well if the meetings where minuted we would know wouldn't we

Agreed completely but that's sort of my point. On hand people are complaining about no one challenging him, and the other complaining that they dont know what goes on in the meetings.
 
What am I defensive about?

If I am commutative, why would I not ridicule the SC value for money, the justification of a EB price increase, or for that matter regularly highlight the good times, the successes and Gibson’s role in that?
Or did you not quite understand your choice of word?

Well you could describe your reply to my original question as defensive for a start.

Thanks for your reply though, I also know what patronising means too.
 
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I don’t think you needed any introduction to patronisation. Take a look at your initial response.

My initial response was fine.

You stated that Gibson didn't want "people like me" interacting with him.

t would make sense to clarify what you actually mean by that. Did you mean lapsed season ticket holders, non match goers, fans who can afford to but choose not to go, fans who can't afford to go etc - there's so many categories you could have fell into, but you assumed everyone would know what you meant.

If you read the post following mine, it turns out I wasn't the only one who was interested by your vague description and wanted some clarification.
 
My intentions in starting this thread were to spark discussion and ideas. It is a great shame that we now have a few arguments breaking out.

Let's try and get back on track.
 
My initial response was fine.

You stated that Gibson didn't want "people like me" interacting with him.

t would make sense to clarify what you actually mean by that. Did you mean lapsed season ticket holders, non match goers, fans who can afford to but choose not to go, fans who can't afford to go etc - there's so many categories you could have fell into, but you assumed everyone would know what you meant.

If you read the post following mine, it turns out I wasn't the only one who was interested by your vague description and wanted some clarification.
I did answer your query politely, but you chose to strongly fire things up and make it personal, for whatever reason in your subsequent response.
There is little point in us continuing this line.
 
Apologies if I repeat what's already been said, late to this thread (life sometimes gets in the way of the Boro!). A few points:

- @fmttmadmin you mentioned that there wasn't much interest in a FMTTM event with Gibson? I remember you asking for questions, but don't remember an event as such being mentioned?
- reiterate all the points about PR, in my experience the basic communication is poor, particularly around press releases for fans, which is a shame given that on occasions when my family or I have had dealings with individuals to resolve issues they have been incredibly helpful
- ticket pricing could be much more imaginative - we haven't really moved on from Ayresome Park where we had concessions and full price. I also raise that we should be encouraging those on lower incomes in the student and 18-25 age bracket to 'catch the bug' - other clubs do, look at them and learn what works and doesn't
-Riverside experience has been enhanced by the fan zone, but this could be improved - I have noticed at Reading last season and Millwall this that the food and drinks options were much more extensive, Reading even had a couple big screens for watching the lunchtime kick offs on in the fanzone
-we should cultivate better relationships with ex players, there are a few in the media who obviously weren't treated well and this reputation spreads in an insular world like football
-engage with fans beyond the local area- sometimes the club seems very parochial, if we want to get back into the EPL we need to recognise this.
 
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