Have Your Say on VAR - Official Fan Survey for End of Season Review

rob_fmttm

Administrator
A fan survey is being conducted through Football Supporters Association which will be fed to the Premier League as part of their end of term review of VAR. Already 20 000 fans have filled out the quick survey - mainly Premier fans - the survey closes at the end of the week. I was given info about it at a FSA meeting for EFL fans last night -
If you want to know more to the background to the survey then click here -
https://thefsa.org.uk/news/have-your-say-on-var/

Here is a direct link to the the survey : https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/fsa-var-consultation
 

viv_andersons_nana

Well-known member
A fan survey is being conducted through Football Supporters Association which will be fed to the Premier League as part of their end of term review of VAR. Already 20 000 fans have filled out the quick survey - mainly Premier fans - the survey closes at the end of the week. I was given info about it at a FSA meeting for EFL fans last night -
If you want to know more to the background to the survey then click here -
https://thefsa.org.uk/news/have-your-say-on-var/

Here is a direct link to the the survey : https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/fsa-var-consultation
Done.

Made my feelings on the nonsense that is VAR pretty clear, I think. Hopefully they read those thoughts and then scrap VAR before the Boro get back into the Premier League(or as soon as possible. Today, preferably).
 

B17er

Member
This is what I put in the last question:

VAR was originally to be used to resolve clear and obvious mistakes. Marginal offisides are not clear and obvious. If you have to drag a line onto a still to determine if a player is onside or not, they should be onside. I havent yet been to a match where VAR is in effect as I support a championship side, but the instant joy of celebrating a goal will be reduced because it seems that VAR will be used to check for any excuse to disallow the goal - that isnt what football should be about. Goal Line Technology is excellent - instant answer and accurate. VAR is far from this unfortunately. "Clear and Obvious Mistakes" - adopt that mentality and I think it could work. The problem is once you have technology there seems a need to use it to the nth degree, when that happens the game is affected.
 

zorro_mfc

Well-known member
I’d have VAR tomorrow in this league as Var is not the problem it’s the muppet referees protecting their mates that is the issue as it should be looked at by trained visual analysts.

As when used as intended it works it’s just needs braver refs to use the evidence and not worry about calling out their mate as it could be then next week.
 

rob_fmttm

Administrator
The good thing about this survey is the 20 000 + number of people that have replied so far. That is a really big sample size - 1000 is the accepted poll size for elections etc so there will be plenty weight of opinion here from fans.
 

fmttmadmin

Administrator
Staff member
One for the evening crowd - a very quick survey to fill out, especially if you haven't witnessed VAR - is it one game we had at the Riverside v Burton? But your views are valued - everyone will have experienced VAR on tv.
 

zorro_mfc

Well-known member
One for the evening crowd - a very quick survey to fill out, especially if you haven't witnessed VAR - is it one game we had at the Riverside v Burton? But your views are valued - everyone will have experienced VAR on tv.
We had it at spurs new ground.
 

Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret

Well-known member
I was going to use my analogy of how football with VAR is like having sex while a dog is licking your foot as it really takes you out of the moment, but I didn't because they would probably think I was weird.

It was my girlfriend's dog when she left the door open by the way. My first thought was how the hell did she get her tongue down there.
 

DCI_Gene_Hunt

Well-known member
I've filled it in but its a pointless exercise.

FIFA/Infantino want it and they want it on their terms so we're stuck with it.

It'll just keep getting worse* and will drive people away from the game except the younger "customers" who have never known any different.

*See Wenger's automated offside logic
 

Jonny2773

Well-known member
The trouble is not with VAR or the Referees, the trouble is with society!

We live in a time where someone has to be blamed, someone needs to held accountable for a decision that we see as incorrect or that we disagree with. Until we change and accept mistakes can be made without having to point the finger all the time, realise that every mistake is not preventable, the sooner we will improve as a society.....Perfection is not acheivable!!!
 

Laughing

Well-known member
The prospect of a few more points is not enough to buy my support for VAR. I'm perfectly prepared to tolerate a few referring errors in return for not having it. Refereeing errors have been part of the game for 100+ years; it's only TV scrutiny that has created the need for VAR.
I haven't done the survey yet, I am undecided about VAR. On the one hand, watching on TV it adds a little drama. In the stadium it has to be destroying the spirit of the game from a fans perspective.
 

newyddion

Well-known member
The championship is desperate for VAR in my opinion the standard of referring is very poor. Once they sort out the tolerances for offside it will be much better. Having a finger or part of a hand offside kind of misses the point of the rule in my opinion.
 

rob_fmttm

Administrator
I haven't done the survey yet, I am undecided about VAR. On the one hand, watching on TV it adds a little drama. In the stadium it has to be destroying the spirit of the game from a fans perspective.
The questionaire asks if you have experienced it live and then afterwards if you have experienced VAR on tv - so you will be able to answer in that way. And there is space for comments.
 

DCI_Gene_Hunt

Well-known member
The championship is desperate for VAR in my opinion the standard of referring is very poor. Once they sort out the tolerances for offside it will be much better. Having a finger or part of a hand offside kind of misses the point of the rule in my opinion.
Address the issue then rather than trying to create a workaround.

Make referees better at doing there job.

But its irrelevant - VAR is never going away.
 

Muttley

Well-known member
The prospect of a few more points is not enough to buy my support for VAR. I'm perfectly prepared to tolerate a few referring errors in return for not having it. Refereeing errors have been part of the game for 100+ years; it's only TV scrutiny that has created the need for VAR.
VAR is a very poor solution to a problem that only exists in the heads of pundits and obsessives.

Kill it before it kills the game.
 

viv_andersons_nana

Well-known member
The issues around offside and handball are easy to solve.

Offside - you're either offside or you're not. If you're not prepared to accept a linesperson missing one now and then and want VAR to be implemented then you have no grounds for complaint on offsides, IMO. They used to say this on Match of the Day all the time. "He's off," "He's a yard off," "Ooohhh, hmm... just about off, just about Gary," "It's tight but if you're off then you're off." Marginal calls are still marginal, with or without VAR. If you're not prepared to accept a human can or will call it a particular way then the only solution is to get the rulers out and make certain.

Handball is there to stop people picking it up, essentially. If you deliberately handball it then it's a free kick to the opposition. If someone smashes it at you and it hits your hand then it isn't handball(unless your arms are up above your head, it's up to the referee to decide). I really can't fathom why people make such a meal out of this. I saw it on Monday evening, an Everton player smashed it and it hit Zaha's hand or wrist - the referee blew for a free kick. Zaha was standing about a yard away from the Everton player. Quite how Zaha was supposed to do anything about it is anybody's guess.

VAR has not made anything better. In fact we probably have more 'controversy' on decisions and incidents than we did before. This is the result of TV companies interfering and buying off more and more of the game until they got us to here, where they are now able to be actively involved outcomes of matches. When you put as much money into something as some of those TV companies do then of course they want something in return. They will always want more and more.

People did say this would happen but brushed off, or told they were afraid of change, stuck in the past, misty-eyed romantics, luddites, frightened to modernise, old-fashioned squares from the past. Whatever.

The interesting thing in my opinion is that you can barely find a pundit or journalist who will admit they were in favour of VAR now. You couldn't move for them about two years ago. They've just moved on to complaining about how it's being used now instead. It is laughable really.
 
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