Have the police lost our trust?

I also have a very very close mate who is a police officer.

I trust my mate, but that doesn't change the fact I don't trust them as a whole.
 
Yeah because a good deed from one copper provides perfect balance to the front page news such a the Hillsborough cover up, Wayne Couzens (as the subsequent heavy handed policing at the vigil) and David Carrick.
I’m not sure what your issue is with me but you have tendency to pick me up on the slightest thing. I know you are an intelligent man and know what I meant but are trying to twist it.

Now run along and stop being a t1t.
 
I, as a white middle class male, would call the police, as I'd need the crime reference number. If I were a person of colour or female then I may think twice about even that.....
The comment you replied to refers to contacting the police to report being burgled / having a car stolen. And you’d think twice if you were “a person of colour or female”.

Seriously!! Why? What do you think would happen?
 
Professional vetting that allowed "the rapist" and "Dave the b****d" to continue to work as a copper whilst carrying out years of abuse ?
They vet hundreds of thousands of officers and police staff.

Of course some will slip through the net. It’s statistically unavoidable.
 
You only have to watch some of these Police reality programmes to see all the 💩💩 they have to deal with day in day out across all regions from fellow human beings, trying to keep our neighbourhoods safe, it isn’t the police you should be worried about, they have complaints procedures, the people down the road or on the next street who think they are above the law, do not.

People moan a bucket full about political leaders spreading false narratives as truth don’t they, but then themselves write stuff sowing seeds to others that the police can’t be trusted, sadly, there will be people who have an issue with authority and oddly like to believe any negative story as truth. Its probably, in part, why some kids will pick up on it from within families and go on to pelt bricks at fire engines and ambulances and other emergency workers, as they represent ‘the establishment’ their parents so hate for some reason. There are far more bad civilians amongst us than bad coppers.
 
I’m not sure what your issue is with me but you have tendency to pick me up on the slightest thing. I know you are an intelligent man and know what I meant but are trying to twist it.

Now run along and stop being a t1t.
It's a message board, if you dont like discussion then maybe dont post on it (especially on issues like this, where peoples opinions are quite polarised). I have no issue with you, I just happen to disagree with you on this particular topic (and maybe others too).
 
The comment you replied to refers to contacting the police to report being burgled / having a car stolen. And you’d think twice if you were “a person of colour or female”.

Seriously!! Why? What do you think would happen?
My wife and her family are black/mixed race and, whilst my wife isn't this way inclined (ie she would call the police), lots of her family are. Rightly or wrongly, this is where we're at now. 'Trust' is very low.
 
It's a message board, if you dont like discussion then maybe dont post on it (especially on issues like this, where peoples opinions are quite polarised). I have no issue with you, I just happen to disagree with you on this particular topic (and maybe others too).
I don’t mind discussion when people compare eggs with eggs but you took what I said out of context and twisted it to fit your narrative and compared it to the extreme.
 
You only have to watch some of these Police reality programmes to see all the 💩💩 they have to deal with day in day out across all regions from fellow human beings, trying to keep our neighbourhoods safe, it isn’t the police you should be worried about, they have complaints procedures, the people down the road or on the next street who think they are above the law, do not.

People moan a bucket full about political leaders spreading false narratives as truth don’t they, but then themselves write stuff sowing seeds to others that the police can’t be trusted, sadly, there will be people who have an issue with authority and oddly like to believe any negative story as truth. Its probably, in part, why some kids will pick up on it from within families and go on to pelt bricks at fire engines and ambulances and other emergency workers, as they represent ‘the establishment’ their parents so hate for some reason. There are far more bad civilians amongst us than bad coppers.
Great post.
 
This is the exact type of response that spreads the wrong message and casts doubt and false understanding of reality. It is not the organisation that is bad it is the odd individual within it.
Read the Baroness Casey review Col. I'm afraid that's not the case mate.


We need to properly fund our public services and ensure they all serve the public interest effectively.
 
Cheers Norman_Conquest.

Fingers crossed it's a dislocation, pop in / pop out and no long term complications. MRI in a couple of weeks to find out.

Anyhow, back to coppers. My own personal experience of coppers is generally okay, have a couple of friends CID both absolutely sound, old next door neighbor was, spot on.

Another old next door neighbor was a Superintendent and the most racist tw*t I think I've ever met - reckon his views weren't skewed against normal, good, law abiding BAME people and that wouldn't permeate down?

Being a football supporter, varies wildly between forces. Northumbria, S York's and West Midlands - treat you like scum, absolute b*stards. Greater Manchester, Lancashire, Merseyside.....never any problems.

Think there is definitely an issue within the police with racism, misogynistic behaviour and as stated previously there is a culture of looking the other way, not grassing colleagues out - won't be looked on favourable when it comes to promotion. How big this problem is - 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️.

All coppers are not b*stards, but sadly there do seem to be ones who get a kick out of the power they wield - and if they do have very "strong" personal views on various societal groups this will easily colour their judgement when dealing with incidents involving them.
 
My wife and her family are black/mixed race and, whilst my wife isn't this way inclined (ie she would call the police), lots of her family are. Rightly or wrongly, this is where we're at now. 'Trust' is very low.
Have they or their loved ones suffered some wrong doing from the police to cause them to feel this way (I don’t mean to pry into any detail if they have) or is it as a result of word of mouth, media reports on past injustices etc. I have no doubt that people of colour have in the past been treated as second class citizens by people in all walks of life including some within the Police and sadly, still are on occasion. Whatever feelings they have will never change if mistrust is shared and spread, but equally I understand trust has to be earned and respect and honesty is a two way exchange and that hasn’t and doesn’t always occur and needs rooting out..
 
Have they or their loved ones suffered some wrong doing from the police to cause them to feel this way (I don’t mean to pry into any detail if they have) or is it as a result of word of mouth, media reports on past injustices etc. I have no doubt that people of colour have in the past been treated as second class citizens by people in all walks of life including some within the Police and sadly, still are on occasion. Whatever feelings they have will never change if mistrust is shared and spread, but equally I understand trust has to be earned and respect and honesty is a two way exchange and that hasn’t and doesn’t always occur and needs rooting out..
There have been some genuine examples where they've been let down by the police. One of our family members in particular has been terribly let down when a victim of more than one fairly serious crimes. I couldn't categorically say it was down to race, but it may well have been, and they certainly feel like it was. The media reports/Twitter footage have certainly contributed to their thinking too, but I suppose my over-arching point is that however we've got here, this is now where we are. And I've no idea how anyone can solve the problem.
 
Is that statement somewhat of an oxymoron?

Anyway it’s probably because >99% of police officers are good people.

However stories about the <1% that aren’t good people are far more popular than stories about the >99% that are good people.
Yes, it is a bit but it's more that I distrust the institution than the individuals. I know there is corruption in the police, I know there is incompetence at times. I know that it is a bureaucracy and people will do things to protect themselves and their friends/colleagues reputations and so many cases come down to he said/she said that being right isn't enough. So knowing that those things are present means I can't fully trust them to do what is right every time.

I'd trust them in a general sense. If I was to report a crime I wouldn't expect to land myself in danger because of reporting it but I wouldn't expect them to come and solve it either unless it was something serious. I suppose like nurses/teachers etc they are a public service that is massively under-resourced so they cut corners to get by. That's not malicious and like others have said they have to constantly deal with the poorest behaved people so their patience is severely tested on a regular basis.

Because of that last point the same way I don't trust the police as an organisation is no different to how they don't trust "the public". They constantly homogenise a group of people. If you are a football fan, particularly at away games, then there is no doubt you have been treated as a potential hooligan at some point. If you have been a protester then it will be similar. That obviously extends to other groups like black people, muslims, people wearing tracksuits etc. If they treat everyone in a group as if they are all the same as the 1% of criminals within that group then they can't be surprised if people think the same in reverse.
 
20 years since I was a copper.

They're overworked, underpaid and have to deal with an incredible amount and variety of stress on a daily basis. I think that needs saying.

They have to deal with some very unpleasant people and see some very unpleasant things. That can probably start to wear some people down over time.

In my experience the majority of my colleagues were good uns. There was the odd nob head obviously but I worked with some incredible people too who really did care and go the extra mile. I would trust the vast majority of coppers.

The institutions themselves less so. Particularly the met.

Another "problem" the met has is that the bar to get in is in much lower than elsewhere. That does seem to end up being reflected in the quality of their officers.
 
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