Hartlepool by-election

Redwurzel

Well-known member
I was surprised about hanging of the Monkey, because it had a blue jacket on!

The people I have met from Hartlepool have all been decent people, similar to people from the Boro, possibly a bit more inward looking, not having the Irish immigration that Middlesbrough had.

The immigration stats are interesting I would guess Hartlepool and Redcar have around 2% immigration and for the EU immigtration probaly less than 1%, so why would they vote BREXIT to keep people out of the UK from the EU?

My take is that its a deep underlying anger that was the prime driving force - the anger coming from a lack of job opportunities, having to rely on Government welfare, resentment from seeing what it was like and how it is now, resentment from seeing people's wealth is say the South East grow and not so in Hartlepool. Blaming those in power over the last 40 years, in Hartlepool that is more the Labour Party.

The Labour Party has to start loving its left behind regions and help them back to better health, rather than blaming them for voting for Brexit and treating them as some sort of Alf Garnett.

Betfair is now 1.20 for the Tories
 

jam69

Well-known member
I was surprised about hanging of the Monkey, because it had a blue jacket on!

The people I have met from Hartlepool have all been decent people, similar to people from the Boro, possibly a bit more inward looking, not having the Irish immigration that Middlesbrough had.

The immigration stats are interesting I would guess Hartlepool and Redcar have around 2% immigration and for the EU immigtration probaly less than 1%, so why would they vote BREXIT to keep people out of the UK from the EU?

My take is that its a deep underlying anger that was the prime driving force - the anger coming from a lack of job opportunities, having to rely on Government welfare, resentment from seeing what it was like and how it is now, resentment from seeing people's wealth is say the South East grow and not so in Hartlepool. Blaming those in power over the last 40 years, in Hartlepool that is more the Labour Party.

The Labour Party has to start loving its left behind regions and help them back to better health, rather than blaming them for voting for Brexit and treating them as some sort of Alf Garnett.

Betfair is now 1.20 for the Tories
They blamed non existent foreigners for all their woes rather than those in parliament making the decisions.
They was investment in hartlepool under labour, the marina for example.
There's been very little in the last 11 years of tory rule
 

HolgateCorner

Well-known member
I was surprised about hanging of the Monkey, because it had a blue jacket on!

The people I have met from Hartlepool have all been decent people, similar to people from the Boro, possibly a bit more inward looking, not having the Irish immigration that Middlesbrough had.

The immigration stats are interesting I would guess Hartlepool and Redcar have around 2% immigration and for the EU immigtration probaly less than 1%, so why would they vote BREXIT to keep people out of the UK from the EU?

My take is that its a deep underlying anger that was the prime driving force - the anger coming from a lack of job opportunities, having to rely on Government welfare, resentment from seeing what it was like and how it is now, resentment from seeing people's wealth is say the South East grow and not so in Hartlepool. Blaming those in power over the last 40 years, in Hartlepool that is more the Labour Party.

The Labour Party has to start loving its left behind regions and help them back to better health, rather than blaming them for voting for Brexit and treating them as some sort of Alf Garnett.

Betfair is now 1.20 for the Tories
I think it’s desperation.
 

Chris_Boro

Well-known member
For a very long time people places like Hartlepool have been blaming "the foreign invasion" for their own plight and for a decade it has suited the Tories/UKIP/Brexit Party to push this narrative as it masks the reality of why.

It is so much easier to use an unknown as a device of fear and division, it also sticks in the mind way better than politicians using facts or figures.

It will take a very long time for facts to breakdown the barriers in people's minds that prevented any form of reasoning the majority dismissed so easily when blaming the EU for everything.

When nothing changes that anger will turn on those who said life will be good after Brexit for all those who believe, but as I keep saying, it's just going to take a long time.
 

TeessideCleveland

Well-known member
For a very long time people places like Hartlepool have been blaming "the foreign invasion" for their own plight and for a decade it has suited the Tories/UKIP/Brexit Party to push this narrative as it masks the reality of why.

It is so much easier to use an unknown as a device of fear and division, it also sticks in the mind way better than politicians using facts or figures.

It will take a very long time for facts to breakdown the barriers in people's minds that prevented any form of reasoning the majority dismissed so easily when blaming the EU for everything.

When nothing changes that anger will turn on those who said life will be good after Brexit for all those who believe, but as I keep saying, it's just going to take a long time.
People still blame Labour for many things despite the Tories bring in government for 11 years, so I agree with you
 

Corcaigh_the_Cat

Well-known member
I was surprised about hanging of the Monkey, because it had a blue jacket on!

The people I have met from Hartlepool have all been decent people, similar to people from the Boro, possibly a bit more inward looking, not having the Irish immigration that Middlesbrough had.

The immigration stats are interesting I would guess Hartlepool and Redcar have around 2% immigration and for the EU immigtration probaly less than 1%, so why would they vote BREXIT to keep people out of the UK from the EU?

My take is that its a deep underlying anger that was the prime driving force - the anger coming from a lack of job opportunities, having to rely on Government welfare, resentment from seeing what it was like and how it is now, resentment from seeing people's wealth is say the South East grow and not so in Hartlepool. Blaming those in power over the last 40 years, in Hartlepool that is more the Labour Party.

The Labour Party has to start loving its left behind regions and help them back to better health, rather than blaming them for voting for Brexit and treating them as some sort of Alf Garnett.

Betfair is now 1.20 for the Tories
Blaming the Labour Party for the last 40 years. Are they really that stupid?
 

TeessideCleveland

Well-known member
For a very long time people places like Hartlepool have been blaming "the foreign invasion" for their own plight and for a decade it has suited the Tories/UKIP/Brexit Party to push this narrative as it masks the reality of why.

I knew a Mackem whose racist tendencies slowly came out. When she heard about how asylum seekers were hounded out of a house in Hartlepool about 5/6 years ago she saw it as a good thing
 

SuperStu

Well-known member
I think a big part of the brexit/tory support that doesn't really get looked at is that it's anti-Westminster. Only ever seems to be the anti-immigration sentiment that gets discussed.

Before anyone says it, of course the Conservative Party is as Westminster as it gets. But really you have to admit Boris isn't what a typical Westminster politician has been like for the last 25 years - think Blair/Cameron/Clegg/Starmer/etc.
 
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