Guardiola agrees 2 year contract extension at Man City.

I don't think he's bad, I just think people have this idea that he's something he isn't or that he was some kind of super attacking, tricky threat at Villa when really he just had more license to do stuff at Villa because they were still ***** when he was there and didn't have teams packing out their own box every match. Even "best of Jack Grealish at Villa" videos are basically just his goals. Sky Sports have one that literally just has multiple clips included in their "best of" that are just him running and winning free kicks. Even he himself has talked about how even at Villa he had managers challenge him to get his numbers up because his output wasn't that great even then.

Like, remember Euro 2020 when people kept clamouring for him to start or were desperate for him to be brought on like everyone thought he was gonna change the game and just never did anything of note outside of one game. He's just a very safe player who doesn't get the chance to do at City what he did at Villa because teams don't play against City the same way.

Marvanelli said:
I always laugh at that narrative some spin when saying he inherits the best team in the league.

The only time he did that, was at Bayern.

At Barcelona he took over from Rijkaard who was sending them backwards...he then made some big decisions in getting shot of some big players....and then turned them into the greatest football team there has ever been.

And then what he's done at City is unprecedented.

The sheer lack of respect he gets is astounding.

He will very very likely go down as the greatest manager of all time.

But I guess until he wins the World Cup with San Marino, then his CV will always look pathetic...
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Yeah, exactly. Barcelona's squad was an ageing mess when he took over. Got rid of Edmilson and Zambrotta, made big calls to get rid of Deco and Ronaldinnho. Xavi was on his way to Bayern until Guardiola stopped that. Brought in Pique and Dani Alves, promoted Sergio Busquets out of nowhere when he'd literally never kicked a ball in first team football, started bringing through Pedro. Messi's numbers soared astronomically.

People just falling over themselves trying to act like he's not an amazing manager who has achieved almost unprecedented levels of success because he hasn't done it at some nothing club first.
 
Jonathan said:
I don't think this is true of Doku or certainly Mahrez at all. Mahrez was often very direct and used a lot of trickery, I was surprised they let him go when they did for so relatively little cause he was so effective for them, had one of the best first touches I've ever seen, and scored a lot of important, big goals cutting in from the right.

I mean, last season Cole Palmer only scored one less goal for Man City than Grealish did and Palmer spent 99.9% of the season at Chelsea. I don't think Guardiola is going out of his way to coach Grealish in to being completely ineffective.
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People like different stuff
 
As if people are claiming Guardiola is some magician for taking over Barcelona and Man City! Two massively resources clubs.

What AM is referring to is how about going to Italy and not managing Juventus, Milan, or Inter. Winning leagues then would be very impressive.
 
Jonathan said:
Literally no one claimed he was a magician. Just that he wasn't taking over the "best team in the league" which was the claim being made.
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Best team in the league doesn’t directly mean previous league winners.

Guardiola took over a Barcelona team with Messi, Xavi and Iniesta already there. A team that still had loads of top quality players.

Man City had already recruited players for him. Plus they already had one if not the best squads in England.

It’s not like he went to Aberdeen like Ferguson and smashed the Old Firm.
 
Nero said:
Best team in the league doesn’t directly mean previous league winners.

Guardiola took over a Barcelona team with Messi, Xavi and Iniesta already there. A team that still had loads of top quality players.

Man City had already recruited players for him. Plus they already had one if not the best squads in England.

It’s not like he went to Aberdeen like Ferguson and smashed the Old Firm.
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I mean, yes it does? Best team in the league by definition refers to one team, and there's a very simple and clear way of deciding that and that's by being champions. By definition, Man City were the second best and then fourth best in the two seasons prior to him.

It's easy to say "they had Messi, Xavi, and Iniesta" out of context in a vacuum, but at the time Xavi was on his way to Bayern until Guardiola talked him out of it. Messi's previous goal totals in all competitions prior to 08-09 were 16, 17, 8, and 1 and under Pep went to 38, 47, 53, and 73 and won his first Ballon d'Or. Xavi and Iniesta weren't talked about with the reverence they are now pre-Guardiola, and Barcelona weren't playing anything close to the level of football they played under him previously. They were very much going backwards, as was shown with their results.
 
Marvanelli said:
I always laugh at that narrative some spin when saying he inherits the best team in the league.

The only time he did that, was at Bayern.

At Barcelona he took over from Rijkaard who was sending them backwards...he then made some big decisions in getting shot of some big players....and then turned them into the greatest football team there has ever been.

And then what he's done at City is unprecedented.

The sheer lack of respect he gets is astounding.

He will very very likely go down as the greatest manager of all time.

But I guess until he wins the World Cup with San Marino, then his CV will always look pathetic...
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A lot of people would not agree and say the groundwork was already put in place by the clubs before he even went to them.
I agree he gets the teams playing and one thing I would say is he does improve players but he has never ever or will ever do anything where he cant buy his way out of problems.
 
Jonathan said:
I don't think he's bad, I just think people have this idea that he's something he isn't or that he was some kind of super attacking, tricky threat at Villa when really he just had more license to do stuff at Villa because they were still ***** when he was there and didn't have teams packing out their own box every match. Even "best of Jack Grealish at Villa" videos are basically just his goals. Sky Sports have one that literally just has multiple clips included in their "best of" that are just him running and winning free kicks. Even he himself has talked about how even at Villa he had managers challenge him to get his numbers up because his output wasn't that great even then.

Like, remember Euro 2020 when people kept clamouring for him to start or were desperate for him to be brought on like everyone thought he was gonna change the game and just never did anything of note outside of one game. He's just a very safe player who doesn't get the chance to do at City what he did at Villa because teams don't play against City the same way.


Yeah, exactly. Barcelona's squad was an ageing mess when he took over. Got rid of Edmilson and Zambrotta, made big calls to get rid of Deco and Ronaldinnho. Xavi was on his way to Bayern until Guardiola stopped that. Brought in Pique and Dani Alves, promoted Sergio Busquets out of nowhere when he'd literally never kicked a ball in first team football, started bringing through Pedro. Messi's numbers soared astronomically.

People just falling over themselves trying to act like he's not an amazing manager who has achieved almost unprecedented levels of success because he hasn't done it at some nothing club first.
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Don't think anyone thinks he`s a poor manager but the accolades are based on teams that are huge with huge pulling power as Nero previously said go do it with a club not top of the food tree in a league and people might appreciate him more.
 
Why would he though?

He's one of the best managers in the world, the best clubs are always going to be in for him.

It's like expecting Haaland to sign for Crystal Palace to prove himself.
 
Angelmatty said:
Don't think anyone thinks he`s a poor manager but the accolades are based on teams that are huge with huge pulling power as Nero previously said go do it with a club not top of the food tree in a league and people might appreciate him more.
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Conversely, many managers have had massive funds and not delivered so it’s not as easy as playing Football Manager on your IPad.
 
How do we know they wouldn't have if they had stayed coming up ten years and got everything they wanted like Pep does ?
 
Angelmatty said:
Don't think anyone thinks he`s a poor manager but the accolades are based on teams that are huge with huge pulling power as Nero previously said go do it with a club not top of the food tree in a league and people might appreciate him more.
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But this is a silly argument, and it seems to be an argument that gets aimed at basically no one else but Guardiola ever. Top managers manage top clubs, that's how its always worked, same goes for players. If you're successful, you're rewarded with good job opportunities. There's a reason Mourinho's last few jobs have been Spurs, Roma, and then Fenerbahce, cause his reputation is on the decline because he's stopped achieving things. The idea that Guardiola hasn't proven himself because he hasn't gone off to manage Swindon is silly. It's the real world, not Football Manager.

On top of that it doesn't prove anything even if he did. Everton threw money at Carlo Ancelotti when his cachet was on the downturn and he was sh*te with them, then goes to Real Madrid winning titles and Champions Leagues, is he not a good manager because he couldn't do it at Everton? What did his time at Everton prove either way?

Angelmatty said:
How do we know they wouldn't have if they had stayed coming up ten years and got everything they wanted like Pep does ?
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We know they wouldn't have because they already weren't good enough to do that? Like... there's literal evidence that they weren't good enough to do the same, the fact they quite literally did not come even close in their time there? Not sure what your logic was there really. Pep has been more than good enough, that's the difference, and why he's still there and gets what he wants.
 
Same old argument this and likely why some think he is amazing and others only think he is good with a lot of money behind him
 
Angelmatty said:
I cant stand this bloke id love him just to do one and prove us all that he is good as people say and not pick the best team in the league to manage.
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Barcelona and Man City weren’t the best teams in their league when he took over

They definitely were when he left
 
Pak_Doo_Ik said:
Oh my days it’s obvious why he’s signed an extension, he knows we’re coming up and the only thing missing on his CV is a win against the mighty Boro in the Premier League
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Explains the option of an extra year too, just in case he can't manage it the first time around.
 
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