atypical_boro
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Why can’t pregnant women have it?
They haven't done tests on pregnant women so can't guarantee its safety.Why can’t pregnant women have it?
Whose safety CAN they guarantee.? I am not knocking the fact that a vaccine appears to have been found and I will be glad of it. It's Pfizer that worries me. It seems that in the US they have been sued many times over different irregularities. I don't know the cost of the Pfizer vaccine compared to the cost of the vaccine developed in Oxford, however the Pfizer vaccine needs to be stored at minus 70 degrees C. That means that specialist storage/transport facilities must be found/manufactured. That could be a very difficult logistical problem The Oxford vaccine does not need such specialist storage facilities. In fact it can be stored and transported in the same way as any other vaccine. Neither does the Oxford vaccine need to be imported which adds to the cost. It seems strange to me that a vaccine has already been developed in the UK but preference has gone abroad.They haven't done tests on pregnant women so can't guarantee its safety.
I was answering the question atypical asked. Perhaps 'guarantee' was the wrong word. The point was that the data isn't there for women who are pregnant so the vaccine can't be passed for use with pregnant women.Whose safety CAN they guarantee.? I am not knocking the fact that a vaccine appears to have been found and I will be glad of it. It's Pfizer that worries me. It seems that in the US they have been sued many times over different irregularities. I don't know the cost of the Pfizer vaccine compared to the cost of the vaccine developed in Oxford, however the Pfizer vaccine needs to be stored at minus 70 degrees C. That means that specialist storage/transport facilities must be found/manufactured. That could be a very difficult logistical problem The Oxford vaccine does not need such specialist storage facilities. In fact it can be stored and transported in the same way as any other vaccine. Neither does the Oxford vaccine need to be imported which adds to the cost. It seems strange to me that a vaccine has already been developed in the UK but preference has gone abroad.
Given the track record of contracts for mates that the Tories have, you can colour me suspicious and cynical but the question I ask is, do the owners of these specialist manufacturing/storage/transport facilities have connections to the Tory Party?
He has now apologised for that remark. I have a lot of time for dr fauci and the work he has done in the US, so I was surprised at his remarks but this seems to have cleared it up.Also, Dr. Fauci here in the US said that the UK is not being as careful as the US.
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But why wouldn’t Pfizer take the liability if they believe in their own vaccine ?I’m not Tory but I can’t see the issue here look at the stats look at the process look at the risk v reward factor and it’s all positive.
I get the feeling some people are just looking for anything to knock this vaccine and discredit before it’s out.
Ok we get it you don’t like wearing masks as it’s big brother you don’t like tier restrictions and lock downs as it’s impinging civil liberties and now you don’t like the vaccine our route out of this nightmare.
Please people stop spreading these lies as this vaccine and others like it will save thousands of lives.
I’ll leave it there.
He has now apologised for that remark. I have a lot of time for dr fauci and the work he has done in the US, so I was surprised at his remarks but this seems to have cleared it up.
Dr Fauci apologises for saying UK 'rushed' vaccine https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55177948
We actually have cut corners. Even i missed this but it's been given emergency use authorisation. In other words we haven't fully approved itThe only reason Fauci and some European voices are questioning the U.K. approach is because they are worried the public in their countries might think ‘eh? Why are we dragging our heels over this? Why have they got it and we haven’t? It’s not like this vaccine has come as a surprise ...... why weren’t we ready to hit the ground running?’
Let’s face it, if they had approved it and we didn’t even have a meeting booked to discuss it until Dec 10th or Dec 29th, the majority of us on here would be screaming government incompetence yet again.
It’ll all be irrelevant in a few weeks time anyway, when they both approve it too.
Then hopefully anybody with any lingering thoughts that we’ve cut corners and are rushing it through will feel a bit better about it all, if they think the EU and USA have performed a more rigorous evaluation....
Personally, I just think we’ve been completely on the ball, efficient and proactive in the regulatory process.
We actually have cut corners. Even i missed this but it's been given emergency use authorisation. In other words we haven't fully approved it
Still rushed it for political expediancy which is a shameYeah, that wasn’t a secret? It was always emergency use authorisation. I’m surprised you missed that, to be honest. It’s not something that has been hidden.
And it’s not cutting corners, it’s a completely legitimate process. We’ve followed the process and rules required in order to provide emergency use authorisation.
If the MHRA have not followed the correct procedures and have provided authorisation illegitimately, to vaccinate 50 million odd people, then that will come out and there will be a whole world of problems. It’s potentially a government toppler. So I think they’ve probably been pretty careful.
It stops the spread of communicable diseases. Good for the economy as we have less sick days, spend less on the NHS and, feel better.
I know when the covid thing fades everyone in the UK will stop wearing them. You can't deny it slows dow the spread of all communicable diseases
Still rushed it for political expediancy which is a shame
Not true for Japan, Taiwan and probably Koreare pollution. So, China thenCouple of things
The science is still contrary - only last week a BMJ article from a peer reviewed study in Denmark said masks were having no effect on stopping the Covid virus.
Up until the end of 2019 masks were not seen as the way forward.
Those in Asia are predominantly worried about pollution
Assuming they have some +ve effect - why change now because of a random disease that may/may not come back. If it (or something similar) does and we believe in masks we put them back on.
Proportionate response please
Those in Asia are predominantly worried about pollution