Absolute cobblers mate. It's the Starmptroopers on here who are the cultists. They seem wilfully blind,
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Jedi boro
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Ha ha ha ha ha
Sorry you were being serious
Let’s not forget Gove is the man who wanted to arm ISIS.
Jedi boro
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You missed the thatcher era then.
Jedi boro
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This 100%
The_Unicorn
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The 'remainer' Liz Truss is favourite to take over?
festa5
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So what you're saying is some of the people who DIDN'T vote Tory and saw them for the crooks and incompetents they are are as responsible for this government as those who DID vote for them.
Errrrrrrm yeah ok. Whatever helps you sleep.
I'm happy to forgive and move on where people acknowledge they got it badly wrong. There seem to be an increasing number and fair play to them, it's not an easy thing to admit to.
But I'm not having it at all that people voting for these b***ds is Corbyn's fault, or labours fault or the EUs fault or anyone else's. They are arguably contributory factors. But the bottom line is Johnson has always been an incompetent, a liar, a coward, afraid of genuine responsibility. This was well known before he was elected leader and he demonstrated it brazenly ahead of the election. He prorogued parliament, avoided hard interviews and hid in a fridge FFS. If you cast your vote for his party that's on you. Own it.
The people primarily responsible for the state of this government are the conservative party and the people who voted for them.
I don't want an apology from those people. I don't want them to be ashamed. I want them angry that they've been used and I want them to have long memories.
Jonny Ingbar
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I'm genuinely interested, what was it of Corbyn's policies that made you think he was unelectable?
Duffman
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Having seen the country being destroyed by an absolute buffoon - the poorest further marginalised and denigrated by the I’m alright Jack culture the government promotes, government corruption on a scale never seen before, a regime that just lies and lies but doesn’t get held to account because nobody cares anymore it is astonishing people a) are not in the least bit embarrassed or ashamed their cross on the ballot paper gave us Johnson and b) seek to criticise Starmer and Labour who have not been in power for 11 years whilst completely ignoring the elephant in the room. Nowt so queer as folk.
Jedi boro
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Because not enough people would vote for them.
it’s that simple
btw I did vote for him
The vast majority of Troy grandees and party backers were against leaving the EU. About 80 MP's were pro-Brexit, and there are notable pro-Brexit backers like Lord Bamford. It was only because of massive wins for the Brexit party that the Tories came around at the 11th hour after 3 years from the vote. Up until that point Tory leadership under Mrs. May spent its days trying to work out how not to implement Brexit.
If there was a voter based shift towards Remain among their constituents the Tories would switch tack in a heartbeat. For decades they were torn apart over EU membership, and for most of that time leadership did their level best to avoid the issue and remain in the EU. That last thing most wanted was to put membership to a vote. And it's a pretty safe bet that if the Tory party leadership was pro-EU, then their backers were also pro-EU.
DrummerMan
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The amount of funding JCB get from Government grants is un-real... no wonder he is a Tory Donor
Lord Bamford and his family have handed at least £10million in cash and gifts to the Conservatives since 2001
Tory donor whose dad lends PM his helicopter nabs millions in eco-deals
Jo Bamford, the heir to the JCB empire, has set himself up in the hydrogen fuel industry - set to be big business at next month's COP26 climate change conference in Glasgow
www.mirror.co.uk
2011 - JCB among construction winners of £950m regional growth fund grants
JCB among construction winners of £950m regional growth fund grants
JCB is one of the construction companies to benefit from the grants awarded through the second round of the Government's £1.4 billion Regional Growth Fund (RGF).
www.theconstructionindex.co.uk
2013 - 2,500 new jobs at JCB unlocked by government funding for A50
2,500 new jobs at JCB unlocked by government funding for A50
Chancellor welcomes announcement that JCB will invest £150 million over the next five years in manufacturing facilities in Staffordshire.
2021 - Billionaire Bamford family at the heart of Boris Johnson's hydrogen push
Jo Bamford certainly has a vested interest in pushing the energy source. His delivery of the double-decker hydrogen bus was part of an £8.3m project between his company and Aberdeen to run one of the largest fleets of hydrogen buses.
Earlier this year, he lobbied for £500m in taxpayers’ cash to finance a 3,000-strong fleet of hydrogen buses produced by companies such as his.
Billionaire Bamford family at the heart of Boris Johnson's hydrogen push
British prime minister has lauded JCB's hydrogen investment, while the Bamford family's transport ambitions also receive government backing
www.thenationalnews.com
It's not just our Government either.... I appreciate this isn't a grant, but still it's a lot of cash
2020 - JCB has been awarded a contract to supply the U.S. military with a fleet of specialised high speed excavators over the next eight years in a deal worth up to $269 million (£217 million).
NORTH AMERICAN PLANT GEARS UP AS JCB SECURES NEW MILITARY DEAL
NORTH AMERICAN PLANT GEARS UP AS JCB SECURES NEW MILITARY DEAL
www.jcb.com
The system is broken
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Lefty
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Truss is a malleable flip flopper of low intelligence. She is a committed Brexiter now for example. She is exactly what they would like in terms of control, if she can keep them in power.
Hunt and Grieve and the One Nation Tories are ideological threats on too many things. They only get the job if they are the only ones who can win a GE.
johnsmithsno2
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Hi Jonny. I disagreed with many of his policies and suspected he'd do other things I disagreed with even more but weren't in the manifesto. But you're missing the point. I wasn't talking about my views, I was saying that the British electorate don't trust the hard Left and never will. Some of the Corbyn supporters I know hardly knew anyone would didn't agree with them and genuinely couldn't believe the election result. But I know people who work in chemical plants and factories who didn't know one person would voted Labour.
the_holgate_roof
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And this is the point, how bad must labour have been at the time to be unelectable.
Jonny Ingbar
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I'm not missing the point, I actually think we agree - I asked which of his policies you were against, because the majority of undecided voters were tricked by the right-wing media and the character assassination of him.
I've yet to speak to anyone who voted Conservative who can articulate why they were put off Corbyn, aside form the obvious media-led stereotype of him, let alone anyone who could talk about any of the Labour manifesto.
Labour lost the election primarily on Brexit, but also the negative caricature of Corbyn that was created by the right-leaning media.