Goalkeeper Recruitment

Badonde

Badonde

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Shouldn't this be a bit easier than we make it look?
Outfield players have to fit into certain systems of play.
The main job of a keeper is to keep the ball out of the net:unsure:

So frustrating that when we finally found a good 'un in Randolph we had to let him go due to financials.
Out of all of our 'galactico' signings he was probably the only one that worked out.
Had to watch other overpaid prima donnas Britt Assombolonga and Ashley woodentop Fletcher for FOUR YEARS
 
You kinda get what you pay for. We keep signing No2s from teams no better than us.

They tend to be free or cheap. I'm guessing they have been No2 for a reason. I mean qpr fans seemed genuinely surprised we signed Lumley.

How about signing a keeper who's been first choice for someone with 60-80 appearances over the last couple of seasons. A genuine first choice for someone.

The get what you pay for argument... The last only top keeper we've had in 5 or more years was Randolph. 5mil and 30 odd grand a week. He genuinely won us points. A worldie save every match under pulis as we usually only winning by one.

A top keeper is everybit as important as a forward. They can win you 10-12 points (I'd argue Lumley has comfortably cost us that).

You can't be afraid to make a change even at this stage. Forest changed keepers a month ago.
 
S7DiscoDown said:
You kinda get what you pay for. We keep signing No2s from teams no better than us.

They tend to be free or cheap. I'm guessing they have been No2 for a reason. I mean qpr fans seemed genuinely surprised we signed Lumley.

How about signing a keeper who's been first choice for someone with 60-80 appearances over the last couple of seasons. A genuine first choice for someone.

The get what you pay for argument... The last only top keeper we've had in 5 or more years was Randolph. 5mil and 30 odd grand a week. He genuinely won us points. A worldie save every match under pulis as we usually only winning by one.

A top keeper is everybit as important as a forward. They can win you 10-12 points (I'd argue Lumley has comfortably cost us that).

You can't be afraid to make a change even at this stage. Forest changed keepers a month ago.
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stick Randolph in goal this season and we are 3rd, Minimum!
 
I think that Dimi was the only keeper who shone after been given a chance to prove himself.

Since relegation(s), only Given and Randolph have also looked good: experienced, skilled and paid accordingly.
 
Wilder hit it out the park with the goalkeepers he brought in at Sheffield United.

Signed Dean Henderson on loan, the only keeper who was close to Randolph in the Championship.

Brought through Aaron Ramsdale, sold him for good money to Bournemouth and then brought him back and he was their player of the season, he's now playing for Arsenal.

Also signed Wes Foderingham who has the best clean sheet percentage in the Championship this season and is arguably the best performing keeper in the league.
 
jeff_potato said:
I think that Dimi was the only keeper who shone after been given a chance to prove himself.

Since relegation(s), only Given and Randolph have also looked good: experienced, skilled and paid
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watch the footage of the promo season again, I loved dimi but we got promoted despite of him not because of him. He benefited from a really solid back 4 and 2 defensive mids infront of him!
 
MickaelDebevePhenomenal said:
watch the footage of the promo season again, I loved dimi but we got promoted despite of him not because of him. He benefited from a really solid back 4 and 2 defensive mids infront of him!
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I think you’re doing him a disservice. Although he didn’t pull off regular unbelievable saves, he saved almost everything you’d expect him too, and most importantly he was a commanding presence. Collected more balls from crosses/corners than any other boro keeper I’ve seen, and more importantly always got two hands to it and kept it, no flappy punching.
 
Air Resistance said:
I think you’re doing him a disservice. Although he didn’t pull off regular unbelievable saves, he saved almost everything you’d expect him too, and most importantly he was a commanding presence. Collected more balls from crosses/corners than any other boro keeper I’ve seen, and more importantly always got two hands to it and kept it, no flappy
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watch the Birmingham away match, he almost cost us promo by letting a really soft goal in from distance, we don't draw that game we dont go up. Season before he has a mare against Brentford away in play off first leg. Great bloke but had he played under any other manager with a more porous defense he'd have been castigated
 
MickaelDebevePhenomenal said:
watch the Birmingham away match, he almost cost us promo by letting a really soft goal in from distance, we don't draw that game we dont go up. Season before he has a mare against Brentford away in play off first leg. Great bloke but had he played under any other manager with a more porous defense he'd have been castigated
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The Brentford one I think Gibson was just as guilty as Dimi. The Birmingham one fair enough he could have done better. Both games he made other great saves though, and those kind of mistakes were few and far between. Randolph and Schwazer also made rare howlers but you’d still they were as good as we’ve had.
 
afcb_acklam said:
surprised u didn't go for woodman on loan when he was available (altho saying that, I don't really know how good he is)
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He’s cr6p, statistically the worst keeper in the premier league with a terrible save percentage 47%. Lumleys is about 67%. Fed up of people saying we should get him over the last few months, why? Because he’s played a handful of games int be premier league? the lad may come good eventually but right now he’s utter pants.
 
MickaelDebevePhenomenal said:
watch the footage of the promo season again, I loved dimi but we got promoted despite of him not because of him. He benefited from a really solid back 4 and 2 defensive mids infront of him!
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This, he was steady but didn’t Save much that wasn’t straight at him. He couldn’t play wilders way as he couldn’t get off his line.
 
Badonde said:
Shouldn't this be a bit easier than we make it look?
Outfield players have to fit into certain systems of play.
The main job of a keeper is to keep the ball out of the net:unsure:

So frustrating that when we finally found a good 'un in Randolph we had to let him go due to financials.
Out of all of our 'galactico' signings he was probably the only one that worked out.
Had to watch other overpaid prima donnas Britt Assombolonga and Ashley woodentop Fletcher for FOUR YEARS
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In fairness none of the current crop are wilders choices they are the remnants of Warnock’s abject goal keeper recruitment policy that seemed to consist of watching QPR reserves.

As for wilder two of the keepers he last trained and worked with at sheff U are in the England set up now and regarded as two of the best in the country.

So one think we do know is that wilder can spot a keeper.
 
Jedi boro said:
In fairness none of the current crop are wilders choices they are the remnants of Warnock’s abject goal keeper recruitment policy that seemed to consist of watching QPR reserves.

As for wilder two of the keepers he last trained and worked with at sheff U are in the England set up now and regarded as two of the best in the country.

So one think we do know is that wilder can spot a keeper.
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Warnock’s keeper interview was
1/ Place ball on South Stand penalty spot.
2/ Can you reach the North Stand from here?
3/ You start Monday.👍
 
People need to be a little more patient with recruitment IMO.

Wilder came in and we desperately needed to start scoring goals. We needed to tighten up at the back, settle on a playing style and structure, find a solution to the problems we had at left back and left wing back and start moving up the table. He's done all of those things and far, far more. In fact we've gone up from 14th into the play-offs and now sit just outside them, with 6 to play. We've a great chance. We've knocked Man United and Spurs out of the cup. It's been fantastic.

My point is that it isn't possible to do everything in one window, especially the January window. He added highly-rated prospects from Premier League sides to try and get more goals and added McGree, who looks like he'll be a good signing IMO. I suspect Wilder knew and knows he was going to replace Lumley. He probably looked at doing it in January but couldn't afford to and prioritised other parts of the team, or couldn't get the one he wanted and decided to wait until the summer.

That's the key thing here IMO. For too long the Boro have just signed players for the sake of it. Or that's how it felt. Last January we needed a left-sided defender and a striker going into the January window. We signed a goalkeeper, a right back and three wingers. There was no real plan to that, it's just hit and hope. We had no idea how to fit them in, how to use them. We wasted a load of money on wages, clearly. Last summer was similar. Hernandez has already gone, we don't know where Payero will play if indeed he will, the two keepers haven't done enough to be here next year, Ikpeazu has gone, Siliki doesn't play, Ameobi hasn't kicked a ball yet. We signed a whole new team and only Crooks, Bamba and Peltier have properly contributed(you can make an exception for Payero to some extent).

I'd much rather we waited for the right players to become available instead of going for whatever is available. I want our manager and his staff to coach and develop what we have, spending their money wisely on players who improve the team. When people complain about recruitment and how we need to change it and make it better, being patient when looking for players and taking time and being sensible is a big part of it. If the 'keeper Wilder wants or wanted wasn't available in January then we wait.

The improvements we've made under Wilder were made with Lumley in goal. He made a clanger yesterday but if we don't make the playoffs this season it isn't down to him. We created nothing yesterday. Watmore missed a great chance on Wednesday, so did young Josh. We were poor all over the park yesterday afternoon. Lumley isn't the long term answer but I'd rather we waited for the right replacement than just sign another version of him. We've done that with Bettinelli, Archer, Daniels et al. Lumley will be replaced in the summer, I'm sure of that. But there's no point in just replacing him with someone for the sake of it. Just wait and spend your money wisely.
 
The one thing I will say about Lumley (the other two) is that I'm sure they are being asked to do things that they have never done before.

I get he's making absolute shocking errors. I'd argue he's directly cost us 9-12 points. That said we've never had a 'sweeper keeper' in my time. Also one who has to move play on quickly.

I doubt Daniels or Lumley were brought in by Warnock to play that role. They basically caught it and wasted 20 secs before launching it up to Uche.

So I imagine any keeper who comes in will have to be already good with his feet. I imagine we are making the best of a bad situation at the moment. Although I agree I'm sure the current Dimi would have saved that yesterday 😂
 
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