Fury vs Chisora

[ForssAwakens]

Fury preaching mental health - also fury. Usyk looks like a rabbit !!

He will fight wilder ( not in America clearly ) whyte and John mcdermott again. Then give AJ 14 seconds to sign a contact. Retire twice then fail another drug test for nandrolone before he fights usyk.

Can’t wait till he retires for good

I couldn’t understand what you were saying with that lemon in your mouth

 

[Wez68]

sports trainers work on the psychology of the sports man, or bring in specialist sports psychologists. It's not purely down to him to solve. You can train people to recover from psychological failure under pressure and deal with it better.

True , but going from trainer to trainer fight by fight is going to do him no good at all .

 

[Uwefuchs]

True , but going from trainer to trainer fight by fight is going to do him no good at all .

You're probably right, he's not going to suddenly turn into Pernel Whittaker with a new trainer.

He ditched McCracken after being outboxed by Usyk in the first fight but then you hear that the gameplan to try and outbox Usyk was actually AJ's. I don't think McCracken was bad for him.

Also the Roy Jones link is very strange, Jones seemed to be trying to turn Eubank Jnr into Roy Jones (II) but no one has Jone's speed and reflexes, I dont think Eubank looked any better for his training.

If he tried to do the same with Joshua it would be career suicide.

 

[B_G]

I don't doubt Fury is very likely to beat Joshua however, for all some on here say there are anti-Fury posters, the very same ones are anti-Joshua.

In my opinion both extremes are a bit silly. I get very frustrated with Fury because he doesn't always rake boxing seriously, he has at times fought absolute bums and whilst he has true class, he's far from the unbeatable boxing God some believe him to be.

Fury has all the tools no doubt. However, early in his career he DID lose to John McDermott whatever the record books say. There's also a very strong argument the fight against Wallin should have been stopped and Fury has never seemed keen to get back in the ring with him again.

Joshua, to his credit, got back in the ring with Usyk and Ruiz.

But this isn't even what frustrates me the most about Fury, its how he behaves. The 3rd Dec or nothing st all, then publicly being an idiot when complex negotiations are going on behind the scenes. It was almost like he was trying to distract and derail those.

I also don't buy into this Joshua is scared rubbish. He is a very good boxer but limited. One thing he doesn't lack is heart or courage otherwise he'd have given up a long time ago.

I'm a fan of both Fury and Joshua with different reasons for each. I admire that Fury has outrageous skills and footwork for a heavyweight. I admire Joshua because he's had a very good career and been a good world champion despite his limitations.

If the two ever fight, which I seriously doubt, Fury is favourite without a doubt but those who write Joshua off as a no hoper are wrong. He has the size and power to trouble Fury if he doesn't turn up prepared for the job.

This post is spot on

 

[B_G]

I’m a fury fan more than a Joshua fan but what we all are is boxing fans. My biggest frustration about last night was that it wasn’t Joshua in the ring we have been waiting a long time for this to happen but sadly it likely won’t ever happen. I think fury had to call out Usyk and I believe we will see this next year with any luck.

It's the wrong time for Joshua, he needs at least one confidence builder before he even considers Fury or Joyce

 

[B_G]

You're probably right, he's not going to suddenly turn into Pernel Whittaker with a new trainer.

He ditched McCracken after being outboxed by Usyk in the first fight but then you hear that the gameplan to try and outbox Usyk was actually AJ's. I don't think McCracken was bad for him.

Also the Roy Jones link is very strange, Jones seemed to be trying to turn Eubank Jnr into Roy Jones (II) but no one has Jone's speed and reflexes, I dont think Eubank looked any better for his training.

If he tried to do the same with Joshua it would be career suicide.

It sounds like the decision to ditch McCracken was based on the advice he was getting in the corner through the first Usyk fight. His corner apparently were telling him he was in front when anyone and everyone could see he barely won a round.

I can understand why this would lead to change in trainer

 

[B_G]

The choice of opponent last night is only part of the reason people are turning on him.

It's the lies and contradictions.

The fake retirements.

The daft contract deadlines

The blatant disrespect to other boxers

Claims its not about money when it's quite clearly ALL about money. Watch the interview with Steve Bunce on last night's preview. It was all about the money.

One things for sure, Usyk and Joyce want the fight. He's got nowhere to hide now. The next 6 months will be telling.

 

[Scrug]

Really want Usyk to beat Fury after that. Was almost as bad as Joshua’s post-defeat rant.

 

[Wez68]

You're probably right, he's not going to suddenly turn into Pernel Whittaker with a new trainer.

He ditched McCracken after being outboxed by Usyk in the first fight but then you hear that the gameplan to try and outbox Usyk was actually AJ's. I don't think McCracken was bad for him.

Also the Roy Jones link is very strange, Jones seemed to be trying to turn Eubank Jnr into Roy Jones (II) but no one has Jone's speed and reflexes, I dont think Eubank looked any better for his training.

If he tried to do the same with Joshua it would be career suicide.

Yes that’s why I find the Jones link baffling ,McCracken is a top class trainer , but one thing he isn't is a yes man , maybe that's why they parted company .

 

[MolteniArcore]

Haters gonna hate. Fury is the best thing to happen to the heavyweight scene since his comeback. He's gone from strength to strength and cemented himself as the best in he division. Joshua has shown himself up and the only real challenger to Fury is a middleweight. Can't wait for the Usyk fight in March - hopefully it will be in the UK.

 

[B_G]

Haters gonna hate. Fury is the best thing to happen to the heavyweight scene since his comeback. He's gone from strength to strength and cemented himself as the best in he division. Joshua has shown himself up and the only real challenger to Fury is a middleweight. Can't wait for the Usyk fight in March - hopefully it will be in the UK.

You sound as daft as Fury coming out with stuff like that. "Middleweight". Great amateur career with over 300 fights. Undisputed cruiserweight champion. What he's acheived at heavyweight is outstanding already. Beating much bigger fighters easily. For me he's the top P4P fighter in the world. Fury might be one step too far. Usyk's skill level is higher than Fury's but that size difference might just be too much. Usyk does keep getting bigger and stronger with every fight though. Fury's on a clock, Usyk has already expressed the fight needs to happen by the frst weekend of March otherwise it moves to the back end of the year... Lwet's see how he likes it when the shoe is on the other foot.

The only one who shows any class is Usyk. Fury and Joshua have both embarressed themselves over the last 12 months. Neither hold themselves well.

Fury has all the ability but is total toss pot. I used to love him but the hype has totally gone to his head. Gets more like his dad every day. He can never claim he's a hall of famer unless he makes the fights with Usyk / Joshua and potentially Joyce.

Joshua has done well through his career considering his limitations and has had some cracking fights. Never been a fan of him as a person either really.

 

[Chappy112]

The daft contract deadlines

Fury's on a clock, Usyk has already expressed the fight needs to happen by the frst weekend of March otherwise it moves to the back end of the year.

Mad those contract deadlines, I thought Fury invented them?

 

[B_G]

He hasn't gave a contract deadline. He's gave a fight deadline. With a very good reason...
He's also gave plenty of notice to get the contract signed and everyone knows when the fight needs to happen. They've akready known for a month.

Not a 48 hour deadline like the

 

[Chappy112]

He hasn't gave a contract deadline. He's gave a fight deadline. With a very good reason...

Ah so they're gonna sign the contract after the fight?

 

[B_G]

He fasts through Easter so the fights not going to happen unless its signed quickly. Everyone is aware of it.
It either happens or it doesn't but the clocks ticking.

I actually thought they might have announced the fight on Saturday night when I'd heard he was ringside. Fury was always winning that fight. There shouldn't have been any "If we beat Chisora". Negotiations should be happening in the background already if he wants it.

 

[Chappy112]

He fasts through Easter so the fights not going to happen unless its signed quickly. Everyone is aware of it.
It either happens or it doesn't but the clocks ticking.

Why did he fight Michael Hunter at the start of April before then? Is Usyk a liar? Is he setting daft deadlines? The plot thickens.

Can't believe he's setting deadlines, he must not want the fight, he is disrespecting the sport and Tyson Fury.

 

[FatCat]

I disagree with the change in trainer opinion, I think it allows the fighter chance to learn more getting different opinions and approaches. Fury has had a few and it seems to have helped him along the way.

 

[B_G]

Why did he fight Michael Hunter at the start of April before then? Is Usyk a liar? Is he setting daft deadlines? The plot thickens.

Can't believe he's setting deadlines, he must not want the fight, he is disrespecting the sport and Tyson Fury.

Maybe he is, or maybe his beliefs have changed or become more important to him. I don't know.

But 4 months notice to make a fight isn't a daft deadline. 48 hours to sign a contract is. Even Fury's own promotion team said it couldn't be done. It was unachievable.

 

[Chappy112]

Maybe he is, or maybe his beliefs have changed or become more important to him. I don't know.

But 4 months notice to make a fight isn't a daft deadline. 48 hours to sign a contract is. Even Fury's own promotion team said it couldn't be done. It was unachievable.

It's not 4 months though is it? You'll want the contract signed long before the fight.

Usyk is one of my favourite fighters and the deadlines don't bother me at all, they've happened throughout the history of Boxing, I just find it entertaining watch people flip flop with them. Bob Arum used to set them all the time when he was arranging Pacquiao fights but people act like Fury is the first one to have ever done it.

 

[B_G]

It's not 4 months though is it? You'll want the contract signed long before the fight.

Usyk is one of my favourite fighters and the deadlines don't bother me at all, they've happened throughout the history of Boxing, I just find it entertaining watch people flip flop with them. Bob Arum used to set them all the time when he was arranging Pacquiao fights but people act like Fury is the first one to have ever done it.

It was in the news at the beginning of November (before he signed to fight Chisora) that Usyk needs the fight before 4th March.
Fury still chose to go ahead with the Chisora fight knowing this.