Forss is he a nailed on starter when fit?

I'm not sure. It was always an interesting one as when he was a regular on the Right Jones was missing. So never really a point where both were fit.

Now you can throw Doak into the mix. Forss is by far the best finisher of the 3. I guess he has that CF instinct to arrive at the right time or know where the ball will drop.

I'm not sure he's nailed on. Yet we will be a far better side with him fit and available. He would be a terrific sub. He is a far better option down the middle than Bergzorg. That said Carrick simply won't play him down the middle.

The fact he constantly plays on the Right doesn't effect his numbers. Still gets a decent goal return. Although I'm sure he's not overly happy about it. Interesting to see what we do with regards to a new deal. Injuries will be the key factor.
 
speckyget said:
Really like Carrick and agree with much of what he says and does. But giving an unfit player a turn on the bench is baffling to me. If nothing else it reduces potentially game critical replacement options.
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It's just a result of having 9 subs which is far too many in my opinion. 7 is better or even 5.
Against Stoke we named: 1 x GK, 5 x Senior Players, 3 x U21 Players as we only had 5 fit senior outfield players outside the starting 11.

That meant those 3 x U21s (McCabe, Hunt + McCormick) didn't play for the U21s on Friday. What is better for them? Sitting on a bench where they are very unlikely to get on or playing 90 mins for the U21s?

McCabe wasn't included against WBA and Forss was brought into the squad. McCabe pretty much had zero chance of playing which is the same as Forss. If we were going to freshen up the midfield we would bring on Barlaser like he did against Stoke.

It's a bit different for Hunt and McCormick who were the only fit CB and LB options at the club so may be required. McCormick was used against WBA of course.

9 Subs is too many.
 
AytonMews said:
Yeah I do wonder if it would continue when he had a fully fit squad.

Would he leave someone like Fry off the bench just so Forss could get “in and around the group”? Doubt it.
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It might continue, he can name loads of subs so there will always be somebody included who is unlikely to play, fit or not.
It will eventually be Fry's turn to be in and around 🙂
 
He's a very different option on the right to Doak and Jones. He's more of wide centre-forward and probably still the best finisher at the club. Without a Giles on the opposite side to provide width, I'm not sure Forss really works on the right anymore.

Last season, our final good run was started by playing Forss and Latte Lath up front in a two with 3 at the back. I don't think that's going to happen again willingly under Carrick.

Even if Forss was fully match fit, the only way I see him starting is during a massive injury crisis among out forwards. He may end up as preferred back-up to Latte Lath if Carrick sticks with Conway at #10. I don't see Carrick trying Forss out at #10. I guess, at best, he's third choice on the right.

I can see Forss going out on loan at Christmas because unless he can stay fit for more than 1/2 a season, his career at the top level is over.
 
S7DiscoDown said:
I'm not sure. It was always an interesting one as when he was a regular on the Right Jones was missing. So never really a point where both were fit.

Now you can throw Doak into the mix. Forss is by far the best finisher of the 3. I guess he has that CF instinct to arrive at the right time or know where the ball will drop.

I'm not sure he's nailed on. Yet we will be a far better side with him fit and available. He would be a terrific sub. He is a far better option down the middle than Bergzorg. That said Carrick simply won't play him down the middle.

The fact he constantly plays on the Right doesn't effect his numbers. Still gets a decent goal return. Although I'm sure he's not overly happy about it. Interesting to see what we do with regards to a new deal. Injuries will be the key factor.
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Yes, there were barely any games that both Forss and Jones were fit last season so hard to establish who was first choice. My gut feel is that Forss was first choice. He certainly was back in 22/23 but we know Jones was having some struggles during that time.

My opinion is that we need to find a place for Forss. He's one of the most clinical goalscorers at the club. We are still stuggling for goals in that front 4. 2 good results has taken the attention away from that a bit but we still only have 2 non penalty goals scored from our front 4 from 8 games. 1 from Conway and 1 from Doak. Hackney won't keep pulling us out the sh1t.

It's going to be hard for either Jones or Forss to displace Doak on the right though if he continues to perform like he has the last 2 games. There will no doubt be a bit of external pressure from Liverpool to keep Doak involved as well.

Carrick doesn't seem to like Forss as a 9 and he's probably behind at least Lath and Conway in that position.

Could he potentially be used as a no10? We lack a bit of depth at no10. Azaz isn't scoring enough goals from that position. I think Forss would be worth a go in the no10 role personally.
 
He's not a nailed on starter and his all round game in that position isn't as good as Doak or Jones.

But he is the best finisher at the club for me so you'd like to get him on the pitch as much as possible. Particularly when others players are misfiring in front of goal.

I wonder if he could be as effective on the left, coming inside onto his right foot would be a real threat. He works hard too so would offer some protection to the left back.

But then of course do you leave McGree out for him? Not unless he's injured. Put McGree as the 10 and leave Azaz out? Possibly, but doubt Carrick would.

Who'd be a manager eh!
 
Forss is excellent at drifting into the attack from wide off the ball. If he plays that role, with Mcgree drifting in from the left, we would need Ayling and Borges to play really high to keep the width, otherwise the pitch becomes really narrow.

I can only really see it happening with either a change of shape, or, when chasing a game and plaiying jones at RB
 
Forss is all blood and thunder (which might be why he gets injured so often) and neither Doak or Jones can do what he does. I think we should keep him as when fit he's a great option to come on and bully the full back.
 
Forss played when we were on fire from the Birmingham win on Jan 2nd, coming on for Jones on 7 minutes.
Jones was injured and didn't return to the starting line up until the last 3 matches of the reg season and we were poor and he also started the away leg at Cov, but came off.

It isn't possible to say who is "first choice" between Forss and Jones as they've rarely been available together.
Coak is here for the season and you would imagine will start more often than not.
It looks likely it will be on the right and both Forss and Jones benched to retain the hapless Azaz.

I'd be looking to get Doak, Forss and McGree as the 3 behind the CF.
A bit of technique and at higher pace, with a greater goal threat.
Jones then as the cover for either flank.
I still think Gilbert makes the 10 slot interesting when he returns.
Sadly I think Carrick will persist with plodder Azaz.
 
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Air Resistance said:
To be honest I think football has slightly moved past nailed on starters, particularly in the champ. No one started more than 35 games for us in the champ last season, I’m sure Forss will get plenty of minutes
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I see your point. But I would suggest Latte Lath, Hackney, McGree, Rav, Ayling and Dieng when fit would be nailed on starters. You argue Latte Lath /Conway but I think once a goal goes in for Manu he will go on a run.
 
S7DiscoDown said:
I'm not sure. It was always an interesting one as when he was a regular on the Right Jones was missing. So never really a point where both were fit.

Now you can throw Doak into the mix. Forss is by far the best finisher of the 3. I guess he has that CF instinct to arrive at the right time or know where the ball will drop.

I'm not sure he's nailed on. Yet we will be a far better side with him fit and available. He would be a terrific sub. He is a far better option down the middle than Bergzorg. That said Carrick simply won't play him down the middle.

The fact he constantly plays on the Right doesn't effect his numbers. Still gets a decent goal return. Although I'm sure he's not overly happy about it. Interesting to see what we do with regards to a new deal. Injuries will be the key factor.
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still has 2 years, so your right about him getting a new deal soon regarding his injury record.
 
I think he'll be a better option up top to be honest, to give LL a break or competition.

Think he would suit playing up top more with this team, than he has done previous, but he needs to keep himself fit/ not injured as he's like snakes and ladders.

No need to rush him back at the minute though, so don't expect him to get many minutes for a while.
 
I don't see Forss working on the right with our current squad. It worked with Akpom because it meant we had 3 strikers on the pitch which was difficult for defenders. We also had Giles providing attacks from the left. I don't think it will work like that with our current setup and we need our right sided player to be involved more creatively because our left back doesn't do that.

From what I have seen of Conway he plays a similar sort of game as Forss so I don't understand why Carrick won't play Forss up front but he will Conway. I think he's now our 3rd best option on the right but he's such a good finisher that he could be our best striker.
 
Nano said:
I don't see Forss working on the right with our current squad. It worked with Akpom because it meant we had 3 strikers on the pitch which was difficult for defenders. We also had Giles providing attacks from the left. I don't think it will work like that with our current setup and we need our right sided player to be involved more creatively because our left back doesn't do that.

From what I have seen of Conway he plays a similar sort of game as Forss so I don't understand why Carrick won't play Forss up front but he will Conway. I think he's now our 3rd best option on the right but he's such a good finisher that he could be our best striker.
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I think pretty much the same. Probably his best option is first choice back-up to Latte Lath. Like Conway, I don't think he can really play the #10 role and I think with our current squad we need the width and pace of Doak and Jones on the right.

I do think he's the best natural striker at the club but I don't think he fits in at first choice anywhere. I'm not sure Conway or Forss are right for the attacking midfield #10 position. However, there was brief spell where Forss and Latte Lath played together as a strike partnership and it really helped ELL. I *think* that Carrick wants a deep-lying/second striker as a #10 (the Cantona type) but I'm not sure anyone at the club, including Forss really has that skill set.
I think Forss and ELL can play together up front but I don't see Carrick switching to a formation that makes that happen.

Pretty sure injuries permitting that he's going to persist with ELL at #9 and Conway at #10 up until Christmas. If ELL is not available I don't know whether he'll go with Burgzorg or Forss up front or maybe even Conway with Azaz coming in at #10. I feel like we know Carrick's 1st 11 and around 9 of his second 11.
 
Forss does offer what we lack, which is clinical finishing. However once Lath nets a goal in open play (it's coming) he will find that rhythm and Forss will probably only be needed from the bench.

It is an interesting conundrum because when fit I could see him replacing Doak in games we are behind (as if that's gonna happen) and using Jones as a sub when we're ahead. That being said, Forss is also very good defensively.

As they say, a nice problem to have.
 
Nano said:
I don't see Forss working on the right with our current squad. It worked with Akpom because it meant we had 3 strikers on the pitch which was difficult for defenders. We also had Giles providing attacks from the left. I don't think it will work like that with our current setup and we need our right sided player to be involved more creatively because our left back doesn't do that.

From what I have seen of Conway he plays a similar sort of game as Forss so I don't understand why Carrick won't play Forss up front but he will Conway. I think he's now our 3rd best option on the right but he's such a good finisher that he could be our best striker.
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I think he'll work quite well for us when teams sit deep, as when it's tight and intricate and you get a chance, he's our best chance of scoring I think. LL needs more space to use his pace I think, which is why he struggles a bit when teams sit back. He's not as much of a poacher etc.

Having Dieng in the side will suit Forss more too I think, as we won't be lumping it up much, and lumping it up to Forss doesn't suit him, but LL isn't so bad in that situation.

We only got Dieng last season, but combining that with Forss playing they only had these games together, it's not a lot. Obv the start was bad, but the other results were good.


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Be good actually having a hopefully full strength side with Hackney, McGree and Jones fit too, also adding Morris and Azaz too.

Can't even remember when we were last close to having a full strength side, with some of the ability we have now.
 
He was playing very consistently up until his injury. He'll be like a new signing almost, he has an eye for goal and at a time we're struggling to put the ball in the net im sure Carrick will want to get him on the pitch in some capacity. He isn't going to sit behind Jones whose already looks like he's playing 2nd fiddle to Doak, he won't want to be the third option out there, i imagine he'll want to now be pushing for a more central role, pushing Lath/back up to Lath if Conways in the '10

He'll 100% be the option anywhere on the pitch ahead of Burgzorg thank god because that lad is dog toffee.
 
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