Corcaigh_the_Cat
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Walk to the gym.
Fitness plans to lose 3 stone.
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Anybody who still goes on about fat being bad obviously hasnt looked into this.
Check out what caused the obesity and diabetes epidemic. It started when the american surgeon general started to advocate low fat diets for heart health. it has been proven 1000s of times to be wrong and heart disease and diabetes has risen exponentially since the 5s because of it.
It is not as simple as energy in//energy out. We absorb certain nutrients at different rates. and when we eat carbs, our body immediately produces insulin which blocks the burning of fat so that it is stored. this is science from doctors and scientists, not me.
just google 'insulin resistance'..
there was a south african doctor who promoted low fat diets for most of his career but eventually realised that it was bollox. he was destroyed by fellow doctors who had him struck off as irresposible. needless to say, he proved himself in court and was totally vindicated.
The human body does not behave the same with all food which is why calorie counting is flawed. its ok if you are burning cack loads through exercise. I dont exercise so I have to be mindful of the type of food i eat - NOT the amount of calories.
Check out what caused the obesity and diabetes epidemic. It started when the american surgeon general started to advocate low fat diets for heart health. it has been proven 1000s of times to be wrong and heart disease and diabetes has risen exponentially since the 5s because of it.
It is not as simple as energy in//energy out. We absorb certain nutrients at different rates. and when we eat carbs, our body immediately produces insulin which blocks the burning of fat so that it is stored. this is science from doctors and scientists, not me.
just google 'insulin resistance'..
there was a south african doctor who promoted low fat diets for most of his career but eventually realised that it was bollox. he was destroyed by fellow doctors who had him struck off as irresposible. needless to say, he proved himself in court and was totally vindicated.
The human body does not behave the same with all food which is why calorie counting is flawed. its ok if you are burning cack loads through exercise. I dont exercise so I have to be mindful of the type of food i eat - NOT the amount of calories.
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Tim Noakes was the fella I was referring to.
Have a look at his youtube stuff - please bear in mind that he is only a professor that has been working in the field for 30 years
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Ted_DN38416
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Disagree. It is about calories in vs calories out. Exercise, eat healthy get a clear goal in your head and make it happen. Simple as that.
It's not "Wrong", it's science. Speak to any doctor, dietician or anyone with half of a brain cell.
Exactly this. It's not about being on a "diet" either, it's about adjusting your life style.
Andy_W
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You will be well trained then, I guess? You can train your body to use fat at higher intensities, whereas someone brand new will really struggle. I know a 55 year old who can do 4 hours at 32 km/h+, with a heart rate less than 130, and he doesn't eat a bean during a rideI'm quite lucky that I tend not to bonk (ooo errr Mrs!) - Did a 45 mile ride on Sunday with only a couple of pancakes for breakfast. But when I do it is horrific!!!
I tended not to worry about how many calories I was burning. If I was running a calorie deficit already any exercise was a bonus. If doing a longer ride i'd make sure I had a bar or a couple of gels in case I got hungry but nothing like big slabs of cake
It's hard but even 10 miles a day and a slightly longer ride on the weekend is 100 miles a week which is a really good effort. Even 50 miles a week would help with weightloss.
I have a power meter and find that Strava says I am burning more calories when I am using that than when Strava is just estimating it - so if the OP was using a HR monitor and Strava said that he burned 800 calories I'd say that's probably an underestimation.
For me, I was quite fit, but not bike fit, and not endurance (>90m fit), I did more things, more often at a lesser time, but higher intensity, rather than long slogs etc. I was always trying to make the most of the short time I had and doing it that way was the best way. That doesn't work for cycling though, not at your level and not at a level where I am now. I'd never done anything at L3-L4 for more than an hour, it's a different world haha! I can do about 3 hours now, on maybe bar and a gel, probably 2400 calories going out, and only 300 or so coming in.
Strava has me on about 900-1000 calories an hour (using HR and wahoo, but no power meter), but when I go on zwift and put in a similar effort it's got me on about 600 calories/ hr. Walking for an hour on the apple watch has me at 300/ hr. I think Strava is too high, zwift too low and the walking probably about right. It can be wildly off for cycling/ or exercise machines, there are too many variables and not enough studies.
Ok. Geniuses.
Leave me to listen to Professors and the Doctors in the field that I have already mentioned, i and you lot can listen to the roid heads and end up like billy bunter as soon as you stop exercising .
some fo you lads wouldnt be scaffolders or spanner monkeys would you? I have had arguments with them in the bait room while they tuck into their carb infested jacket spuds. they dont seem to accept that I have lost 14kg in a little over a year by not eating carbs - this being after they ask me how I lost weight .
I have lost weight, a lot, and feel a lot healthier WITHOUT ANY exercising and maintaining my quasi-alcoholic levels of evening relaxation.But, like I said, I read lots and lots by JAson Fung, Moseley etc to find out the best way to lose weight and apparently you lot will never agree with those methods.
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Andy_W
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HR monitor is good for walking yes, cycling or running outside probably not, too many variables when the pace gets upped and hills/ wind resistance have more impact, which doesn't get factored into calculations. May be off by +/-30% for high intensity.
You're right about gym machines though, they're bound to weight their calculations to the "high end", make the punters think they're doing better than they are, keep em coming back and buying more.
Middlesbrough123
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Oats
4 boiled eggs
rice chicken veg 12pm 2:230pm 4pm sized to your calorific requirements
salmon at 9pm
I Lost 2 stone in 2 month
changing habits is the hardest part
try masbody gym Mike did my meal plan
4 boiled eggs
rice chicken veg 12pm 2:230pm 4pm sized to your calorific requirements
salmon at 9pm
I Lost 2 stone in 2 month
changing habits is the hardest part
try masbody gym Mike did my meal plan
Andy_W
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It's only flaw is how it is used. But as a law, energy in = energy out somewhere, or energy stored, it's the first law of thermodynamics effectively. If you can count your energy in and cant your energy out, then you win, if you know what you're doing with the numbers. The accuracy of calorie counting is the debatable part, but the accuracy can be massively increased or catered for, with experience and knowledge.
This part is correct, but the energy that's gone to be stored as fat will just get burned next. As soon as you run out of sugar/ carbs your body will move back onto eating the fat again. The sum of the calories is important, as is the sum of the expenditure.
All calories may not be equal, you might be right on that, and your body might burn of simple carbs/ sugars easily, but may struggle with protein and burn more energy to do that, but I think there's some debate on that. Protein calories will take longer to digest, and likely keep you fuller, probably reducing the intake of other calories. The difference in types of calories is probably marginal, and nothing anywhere near as damaging as going for a Parmo and putting it down as 1,000 calories, or people forgetting to track a handful of nuts, or a can of full fat coke etc, or putting a 1 mile walk down as 500 calories etc. The system isn't flawed, but the user can be.
I wouldn't be suggesting fasting to anyone unless I was an expert and knew who I was suggesting it to. It can play havoc with the body, and it's horrible to do, especially the metal aspect of it and if anyone is doing any sort of training. I found it worse than Atkins or Keto and they're both awful too.
Keeping topped up on carbs and refuelling carbs and protein are an absolute must for most people, especially anyone involved in sport, even at an amateur level. For every 1 guy that suggests fasting, there's 1000 saying don't do it. Do any pro sportsmen fast? I'm not saying we need to do what pro's do, but if someone is training hard for their level, then replicating them won't be a bad idea.
Wiseman_Vaughn
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I should be as easy as calories in v calories out - but there is probably more to it than that.
I personally don't believe in specific diets such as Atkins etc - better to rethink your eating habits, ie time of eating and portions.
Introduce a regular fitness activity and tailor carbohydrate intake around that activity (fuel and recovery).
Simply adding some sort of workout will increase your metabolism.
A couple of things that have helped me over the years:
•HIIT (bike/run or row) for 20 minutes on a morning supercharges your metabolism for the day.
•Eggs for breakfast kills your appetite for hours.
•Generally strive to keep macronurient balance (use Myfitnesspal)
For me, cycling has always been my go to cardio. One you get reasonably fit you can burn a shed load of calories on a ride - adding Zwift/Turbotrainer makes it easy to get the miles in when the weater is S***!
I personally don't believe in specific diets such as Atkins etc - better to rethink your eating habits, ie time of eating and portions.
Introduce a regular fitness activity and tailor carbohydrate intake around that activity (fuel and recovery).
Simply adding some sort of workout will increase your metabolism.
A couple of things that have helped me over the years:
•HIIT (bike/run or row) for 20 minutes on a morning supercharges your metabolism for the day.
•Eggs for breakfast kills your appetite for hours.
•Generally strive to keep macronurient balance (use Myfitnesspal)
For me, cycling has always been my go to cardio. One you get reasonably fit you can burn a shed load of calories on a ride - adding Zwift/Turbotrainer makes it easy to get the miles in when the weater is S***!
MolteniArcore
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You will be well trained then, I guess? You can train your body to use fat at higher intensities, whereas someone brand new will really struggle. I know a 55 year old who can do 4 hours at 32 km/h+, with a heart rate less than 130, and he doesn't eat a bean during a ride
For me, I was quite fit, but not bike fit, and not endurance (>90m fit), I did more things, more often at a lesser time, but higher intensity, rather than long slogs etc. I was always trying to make the most of the short time I had and doing it that way was the best way. That doesn't work for cycling though, not at your level and not at a level where I am now. I'd never done anything at L3-L4 for more than an hour, it's a different world haha! I can do about 3 hours now, on maybe bar and a gel, probably 2400 calories going out, and only 300 or so coming in.
Strava has me on about 900-1000 calories an hour (using HR and wahoo, but no power meter), but when I go on zwift and put in a similar effort it's got me on about 600 calories/ hr. Walking for an hour on the apple watch has me at 300/ hr. I think Strava is too high, zwift too low and the walking probably about right. It can be wildly off for cycling/ or exercise machines, there are too many variables and not enough studies.
It's mental isn't it how they all have you down at different levels of calorie burning.
I tend to do 80% of my riding at Zone 2 - the only high intensity stuff I do is the one weekly Zwift Racing League race which since by promotion from C to B I come in around 50th
It might be the Z2 stuff that lets me ride at low HR and not needing much food or drink on my rides.Cycling is funny - once you get over the notion that you need to ride at 110% everywhere training becomes quite enjoyable and you can go quite far without eating too much. Although I do like to stop and fill my face with delicious cake and wash it down with sugary coffee
Andy_W
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Not sure on supercharging metabolism, but HIIT is brilliant for many things, it can help in so many ways and I don't think many doubt its effect. It's brilliant for a lot of people, especially those on a 9-5 who can fit it in before/ after work as a routine.
There are a couple of things I don't like about it though, not a fan of the muscle strain or being short duration and longer recovery. Sweating for half an hour and then getting showered, changed and all that faff on doesn't work for me. I'd rather do 1.5 hours twice over 4 days, than 30 minutes hit each day (yes I realise they don't add up to the same time, but the intensity is probably similar). I can't train on the mornings though, not first thing anyway, it's the last thing I want to do
I don't even like training at lunchtime as I CBA working when I get back, or get distracted too easily.I have a rowing machine and a treadmill. I'm flat out on the rower and just about bursting for 20 minutes and it tells me I burn the same amount of calories if I walk fast uphill on the treadmill. Utter bollox. I know from expereince I'm burning loads more on the rower.It's mental isn't it how they all have you down at different levels of calorie burning.
I tend to do 80% of my riding at Zone 2 - the only high intensity stuff I do is the one weekly Zwift Racing League race which since by promotion from C to B I come in around 50th
Cycling is funny - once you get over the notion that you need to ride at 110% everywhere training becomes quite enjoyable and you can go quite far without eating too much. Although I do like to stop and fill my face with delicious cake and wash it down with sugary coffee
I measure weight loss on body shape and belt notches!
I can drop a belt notch but weight the same..... putting muscle on while losing fat.
For me its all about how you feel about yourself, thats the ultimate goal.
breakthewallsdown
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Why pay for information that is common sense?
Its simple.. Weigh out your food and track calories
Andy_W
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Yeah, I didn't realise how wildy things can be off, and have probably over ate on my training days. I now try not to go too nuts after a massive ride, and want to lock in that calorie deficit.It's mental isn't it how they all have you down at different levels of calorie burning.
I tend to do 80% of my riding at Zone 2 - the only high intensity stuff I do is the one weekly Zwift Racing League race which since by promotion from C to B I come in around 50th
Cycling is funny - once you get over the notion that you need to ride at 110% everywhere training becomes quite enjoyable and you can go quite far without eating too much. Although I do like to stop and fill my face with delicious cake and wash it down with sugary coffee
I'm like 10% zone 2, 50% zone 3 and 40% zone 4, over two hours, then I fall over when I get home
Zone 2isn't carb/ glycogen heavy, but you've got there by being fit, for me to probably go the same pace as you would likely mean I'm in Zone 3/4 I expect. My FTP is like 180, or it was, should hopefully get that over 200 after summer though and maybe 250 next year.Well done on getting into Cat B, seriously good going even getting there, you're way ahead of me!
I still haven't got over the "need to ride at 110% everywhere" but I actually like battering myself, I'm weird.
Andy_W
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Rower is my nemesis, it's harder for me than the indoor bike trainer going hell for leather, basically, it's harder than anything I've ever done. Wipes me out in no time, every time.
The respect I have for rowers is unreal!
Redlips
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Centralscrutinizer
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It's what you eat that makes the difference and it's really easy to fall into the trap of using having exercised to scoff a bit of extra food. Exercise and training in the volumes performed by an average busy/working person can't compensate for a crap diet. E.g an 8k row, which is a fairly significant workout, sees off about 500 calories. Treat yourself to a parmo afterwards and you'd need another 4 rowing sessions to just balance it out.