Fao advocating the death penalty in the UK

[Jedi boro]

It's hard not to think of capital punishment when parents are torturing, then murdering, babies and toddlers. I switch over whenever one of these cases is reported on TV, as it's so upsetting to think that if these monsters didn't care for their child then why not let someone else love, grow and cherish them. It is impossible that these infant victims could have done anything to warrant their murder., even the death penalty wouldn't be harsh enough for these evil beings.

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But quite often these kind of horrific crimes result in non custodial sentences any way so if people detained at his majesty’s pleasure to a broadmoor etc then they would be exempt from any capital punishment.

 

[Laughing]

Hmmm, that's a very big statement.

Fingerprints are absolutely unique. No two people have ever been known to share the same fingerprints. Some boffin calculated that it would be a million years before that happened.

At the scene of a crime, there may be incomplete fingerprints. Depending on how how small the dab is, there may be others that share that (very small sample of) dab. But here's the thing. If that was the case, fingerprints would not be used as primary evidence. They might be used as corroborating evidence, to show that the dab is not inconsistent with the accused being present at the scene of the crime.

But saying that complete fingerprints are not definitive is not correct. They might not be definitive in every case, but a complete dab at the scene of a crime is conclusive. How the fingerprints are collected, both at the crime scene, and from suspects, can be inconsistent. Dabs may not match when they should, but as far as I know - and I'm pretty sure, they aren't likely to yield a false positive.

I know there have been cases where fingerprint evidence has been questioned but they are pretty rare and always involve incorrectly followed processes at the crime scene, or when collecting dabs.

Miscarriages of justice happen, of course, but they are rare. The fact that they do happen is enough for most reasonable people to conclude that capital punishment is unsupportable.

All of what you say is true. However, finger print evidence will match 1 in 100 people. I raise the point because it does not nor ever has proven guilt to 100%. You never get a complete latent print, ever. Think about how many times you have to touch a finger print sensor on a phone when registering your print. which was the point I was making. People think fingerprints prove something when they don't.

 

[Alan_Breck]

But quite often these kind of horrific crimes result in non custodial sentences any way so if people detained at his majesty’s pleasure to a broadmoor etc then they would be exempt from any capital punishment.

Jed,

My daughter-in-law is a social worker and said that these parents are so good as disguising and covering up their activities against the child and that authorities err on the side of the parents, to avoid taking children into care. It's a very fine line which to tread.

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