Fake Meat

RedAsABeetroot said:
I don't get products like this. I enjoy vegetarian dishes such as vegetable curries but stuff like the above really doesn't interest me.
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It's probably aimed at folks like me who like meat, but feel a bit uncomfortable about the animal exploitation bit.

I'm too lazy to actually be a full vegan but do feel bad about eating meat so like to tuck into this kind of thing alongside meat just so I eat a bit less animal.
 
I don’t think you could make the same quality meat with all of its nutrients in a lab, I’ll stick to normal beef.
 
Quicksilvera said:
I don’t think you could make the same quality meat with all of its nutrients in a lab, I’ll stick to normal beef.
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I mean it depends what you mean by nutrients etc. but the last thing I saw on this was that the meat is the same thing as the real thing, lots of meat cells grown together. I think the fat might have been tricky to replicate, not sure.

Here's a link: Linky
 
1finny said:
Expensive but, a good recommendation is always worthwhile
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Yes it is expensive and I only realised when I looked it up online when I got home - I would not have bought it otherwise.

But in actual fact it's the same price as fillet steak. And I'm being serious when I say it taste the same, if not better. My missus agrees :)
 
dooderooni said:
That's not the dog's fault, it's the owner. I am a dog owner and always have at least 2 rolls of poo bags hanging off my belt loop.
Now if you'd said irresponsible dog owners will hopefully soon be a thing if the past then I'd be fully behind you.
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I'd have agreed with you in the past but it's got out of hand now with the explosion in dog ownership during the pandemic. The other thing I forgot in my earlier post is those who think bags of poo make great tree ornaments..
 
ThatFragranceGuy said:
Can't see it myself, maybe for people that want ethical meat or something it will be an option but it's never going to replace a premium cut of meat, with all its varieties and flavours. From what I've read as well it only creates the meat, it doesnt create the fat which is where majority of meat gets its flavour from. All the stuff they've made so far has had to be either heavily seasoned and specially prepared to compete in a proper test, or meat has been ground up and served plain and hasn't had the right texture. Farmers aren't going to stop being farmers and start a lab, so the slight problem of the massive global industry to replace them, we of course use cows for many other things but if thats the case where is the gain if we still need to farm cows for everything else? very little ethical gain there.

Even fake meat - we were told that beyond meat were the future only a few years back - sales were rocketing, share price massive, sky is the limit. Since then the wind has gone out of their sales and they've made mass redundancies several times.

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They're not particularly healthy themselves, people see meat free and they think healthy eating - impossible burger for example is full of vegetable oil and coconut oil , beyond burger is full of canola oil and coconut oil and both are highly processed whereas you can make a burger in a few minutes with with just beef, onion, egg and seasoning. how you going to make

The burgers they make are expensive and are only "ok", so can't say I'm surprised. Anyone who thinks they are as good as an actual burger I would contest has never had a burger before. I read on here that you'd never know the difference they were that good. I'd say that a Tesco value burger would probably be better. But, again, good if you want to stop eating meat and have something meat-like

I don't mind meat free stuff but fake meat is generally poor. I'd rather have proper vegetarian stuff. Fake meat is at best "less bad", but even actual grown meat will never be a premium product and probably always be a lot more expensive than the real thing. I can not imagine a time where people are buying extremely nice tasting lab grown meat from Iceland or B&M. I'd rather be eating stuff like india, thailand etc kick out with their vegetarian stuff where its designed from the ground up to be a vegetarian meal than eat sub par pretend meat.

In the above example with cauliflower curry, I suppose its because few people will order it but they have to have it on hand and prepped as well as extra cooking items out & work space so that theyre not contaminated. Fixed costs will be the same and youd ideally get a profit per table, not having the meat in there probably doesn't save them money as they probably have to throw meat away regularly anyway as better to have too much than too little.
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We’re not close to parity on taste, texture or cost but progress has been rapid and I’m confident it will happen eventually. Meat isn’t getting any cheaper and as the population expands, there will be more demand on the space and resources needed to farm it. Lab grown meat will also be in demand by people who oppose farming practices and don’t like the fake options either due to taste or for health reasons.
 
Quorn nuggets are pretty close to chicken nuggets, but I suppose there's very little of a real meat texture in a chicken nuggets to begin with.
 
Can we just baseline again

lab grown meat is actually from animal cells

Lab-grown meat refers to meat developed from animal cell culture, and not via traditional raising and slaughter of living animals. It is not an imitation of meat made with other ingredients, like plant-based burgers that are made from plant-based proteins.

So nobody veggie or vegan is going to be going wild about lab grown meat

The other one is called plant-based meat. When veggie companies feel they cant sell any of their wares without encroaching on the narrative and words of existing proper meat products.

The product shown by the OP is Plant based and basically 55% water absorbed by processed soy. Wow , no wonder its so soft and tender.

Anyone eating this is basically just liking the flavourings the oils and the enhancers.
 
dooderooni said:
That's not the dog's fault, it's the owner. I am a dog owner and always have at least 2 rolls of poo bags hanging off my belt loop.
Now if you'd said irresponsible dog owners will hopefully soon be a thing if the past then I'd be fully behind you.
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I don’t think you can always blame the dog owner for the dog wanting to do its business whenever. Problem is of course is the cleanup and who generally has to do it? I think many of us agree that (most) dogs are lovable creatures but there comes a time when that same love is offset by a lousy owner.
 
Boro_Interlinked said:
So nobody veggie or vegan is going to be going wild about lab grown meat
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I think a lot of current vegetarians and some vegans would absolutely go back to meat if it could be produced without animal suffering. You could even consider it more ethical than a vegan diet when you consider the environmental restoration that would result from getting rid of not only things like cattle and pig farms but also the farms that produce crops needed for vegan alternatives. Vegetarians already accept some animal suffering from things like the dairy industry so it’s an easy decision for them.
 
dooderooni said:
That's not the dog's fault, it's the owner. I am a dog owner and always have at least 2 rolls of poo bags hanging off my belt loop.
Now if you'd said irresponsible dog owners will hopefully soon be a thing if the past then I'd be fully behind you.
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Presumably with one of the aforementioned poo bags.😊
 
I think anything that makes people cut down on meat consumption must be a good thing. You don’t have to go full on veggie / vegan for it to have an impact.


This isn’t me by the way. I have meat with pretty much every meal that isn’t my cereal on a morning 😅
 
TeaCider said:
Quorn nuggets are pretty close to chicken nuggets, but I suppose there's very little of a real meat texture in a chicken nuggets to begin with.
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There are chicken nuggets and chicken nuggets. if youre eating reformed meat stuff then probably fair shout but reformed meat is rank. I tried a load of quorn stuff last year and I think the only way I can imagine thinking it was similar to decent chicken is if I had been smoking for 30 years

SilentProf said:
We’re not close to parity on taste, texture or cost but progress has been rapid and I’m confident it will happen eventually. Meat isn’t getting any cheaper and as the population expands, there will be more demand on the space and resources needed to farm it. Lab grown meat will also be in demand by people who oppose farming practices and don’t like the fake options either due to taste or for health reasons.
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Like I said, I cantr see it. you can lab grow cells but you cant lab grow the diet they were raised on, time and what makes muscle and fat grow/develop - it will literally be meat. lab grown meat will need time , machinery, space, staff etc same as farming so I can't really envisage it being cheaper than raising a cow. If there was such demand for these products Beyond Meat wouldn't be crapping themselves every year, because everyone said they were as good as the real thing too
 
can we lab grow a new Akpom, that should be more on our minds
Is there any Akpom DNA around the club that can be isolated ?
I'd be happy to wait 3 years, I've seen the film The Island , you know,, this could work
imagine registering a player with the EFL,, no , we grew him in the lab , he's definitiely a home grown player :giggle:
 
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