Expectation levels at this club

Absolutely, the guy was obviously caught on the hop and it was an own goal of a comment, how the hell does he know about the history of this club and what people should be expecting, like you say, improvement from the previous year is the minimum expectation.
 
My view, in fairness to Wilder, is that it simply indicates he is under intense pressure.

It’s not working, it hasn’t for a lot of matches at the end of last and the beginning of this season.

He will know that better than anybody.

Hopefully he can turn it around, but I think we will be looking at a change at the end of October if things don’t improve.
 
HolgateCorner said:
My view, in fairness to Wilder, is that it simply indicates he is under intense pressure.

It’s not working, it hasn’t for a lot of matches at the end of last and the beginning of this season.

He will know that better than anybody.

Hopefully he can turn it around, but I think we will be looking at a change at the end of October if things don’t improve.
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I think tomorrow is huge as there are losses and losses but Tuesday wasn’t a loss it was capitulation that first half. It could have been 5 easily.

We can’t afford a repeat.
 
Our expectations should be promotion - you have to look at the highest position possible and thats how football works for most of us, certainly early season.

Chris Wilder is probably a bit more feet on the ground Yorkshireman - Teessiders are to me "tough as a Yorkshire tyke and as canny as a Geordie hinny bird" in the words of the late and famous folk singwriter, Graham Miles.
 
Our ambition should be promotion.

Our expectation is to be in the mix for it.

Obviously expectation levels were raised at the start of the window because the club told us they were going to invest heavily in the squad and that they didn't even need the Spence money, never mind the Tav money.

But as that didn't happen does anyone really "expect" this squad to get promotion? In the mix, yes. But it's miles off some of the other sides. Particularly the gaping holes in midfield.
 
Promotion has to be the goal and based upon finishing 7th last season seemed an entirely realistic goal.
However we have regressed, mid table now seems more realistic
 
We're wise enough to know that the parachute money has dried up, aspirational enough to aim for the playoffs and realistic enough to recognise that playing well for 45 minutes every week isn't good enough at any level.
 
Glover_elbow said:
It was only giddy youngsters who thought a top 2 position was possible before the season started
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Whilst I hoped that if we got our top level transfer business done early doors we would at least have a chance of seeing a 25% improvement (88 points and automatic promotion) I knew that if we didn’t this would not be possible.. especially if we didn’t bring in more productive players in key areas.
44points at the halfway stage (game 23)

A more pragmatic approach would have seen sensible changes to the squad and a reasonable improvement of 10% (77points guaranteed playoffs) while significant would not be out of reach.
38 points at the halfway point (game 23)

Now I’m afraid we will fail to see an improvement of even 5% (74 points outside chance of playoffs )
37 points at the halfway point (game 23)
 
If the club were serious about promotion they would have fully backed this manager and got all of the players in he wanted - they didn’t, so what does that say about the club’s ambitions ? Either the money isn’t there, or maybe the chairman doesn’t have a lot of faith in the man he appointed ? It’s beginning to look like another season lost, with almost quarter of a season gone after tonight’s game, and we’re well off the pace as it stands. It’ll take one hell of a turn around in form to save the season from here.
 
I feel we're stuck in the same cycle.

Every Summer we have fans in here saying "complete rebuild needed"


Every Summer we go for it: over half the team changes.

We always go for the expensive option too. Our spending is greater than any team without parachute payments.

Let's assume we have another average season; let's go for fine tuning rather than a complete overhaul. At the moment, we're suffering from too much change, too much short termism, and too much thinking we have to be all in on the current season.
 
festa5 said:
Our ambition should be promotion.

Our expectation is to be in the mix for it.

Obviously expectation levels were raised at the start of the window because the club told us they were going to invest heavily in the squad and that they didn't even need the Spence money, never mind the Tav money.

But as that didn't happen does anyone really "expect" this squad to get promotion? In the mix, yes. But it's miles off some of the other sides. Particularly the gaping holes in midfield.
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And this is the point for me and the one that Wilder alluded to in the presser.

Its been two summers of trying g to spend money on 'big' targets, only to miss out across both windows, this one even more so.
 
The expectation every season for this club in this league is playoffs and a promotion push. We one of the most well resourced clubs in the league with one of the best supports home and away
 
the biggest charade is people falling for marquee signings and the spiel about competing with the best at renewal time every year ,only to find for a million and 1 reasons these signings dont get across the line by the window shutting. Every year same propaganda is lapped up by the fans, only for the season to fall on its a rse year after year. Its happened so many times its purposeful deception from the club.
 
At one point all the signs were there that we could be a top 2 side. There was a period where we had signed Lenihan, Giles, Steffan. Tav was still here. We knew there was money coming in from the likely sale of Spence. We were linked to forwards like Muniz, Armstrong, Gykoreres and there was talk from the manager of marquee signings.

Its all small margins and I think if we had held on to Tav alone we would be significantly better off than the table currently shows. If we had managed to also bring in top forward with the Spence money along with Muniz I think our starting 11 would have been a force to be reckoned with in this division.
 
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Mfc79 said:
At one point all the signs were there that we could be a top 2 side. There was a period where we had signed Lenihan, Giles, Steffan. Tav was still here. We knew there was coming from the likely sale of Jones. We were linked to forwards like Muniz, Armstrong, Gykoreres and there was talk from the manager of marquee signings.

Its all small margins and I think if we had held on to Tav we would be significantly better off than the table currently shows. If we had managed to also bring in top forward with the Jones money along with Muniz I think our starting 11 would have been a force to be reckoned with in this division.
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even with tav the midfield we still needed more quality. Crooks and Howson should have been squad players not starters, with TAV + plus two more quality midfield additions. Gibsons half committed approach to recruitment is understandable given he's had his fingers burnt on more than one occasion, but at the end of the day if your only going to half go for it , you might as well not bother at all
 
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even with tav the midfield we still needed more quality. Crooks and Howson should have been squad players not starters, with TAV + plus two more quality midfield additions. Gibsons half committed approach to recruitment is understandable given he's had his fingers burnt on more than one occasion, but at the end of the day if your only going to half go for it , you might as well not bother at all
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————————Steffen———————-
——-Dijksteel—Lenihan—Greaves———-
Jones—Tav—Choudhury—McGree—Giles
————-Armstrong—Muniz——————

We needed to sign improvements on the following positions in Siliki’s case we had to sign the player we thought we were getting with him.

4 James Léa Siliki
7 Marcus Tavernier
10 Martin Payero
11 Folarin Balogun

£10m in the kitty we had done big names banded about.. nothing like the hidden gems Keiren Scott was supposed to uncover from German markets, Dutch divisions and the like.

Our rivals in the transfer window were quick of the mark spunking nearly £7m on a nobby’s notebook trove of talent..

4 Josh Cullen £2.7m - Burnley
7 Matt O'Riley £1.62m - Celtic
10 Scott Twine £2.61m - Burnley
11 Ellis Simms - Loan - Blackburn

Bargains go closer to the wire but we’re still left waving £9m at £10m strikers we’re never going to get and trying to pick up £8m midfielders in on loan..

4 Oliver Abildgaard - Loan - Celtic
7 Callum Styles - Free - Millwall
10 Andy Rinomhota - Free - Cardiff
11 Kion Etete - £540k - Cardiff

Alex Mowett is through the door as the best replacement for Marcus Tavernier we could for (Cheers Keiran) with the window shut Josh Onoma turns to Massimo Luongo and thoughts of Frank ‘the tank’ Onyeka are replaced with whisper of Dale Stephens.

Armstrong, Henry, Larsen, Elis, Surridge.. the sound of strikers flatlines into the distant white noise of an approach for Fabian Delph.
 
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