Everton next points deduction no later than April 8th

If they appeal any deduction the decision is not announced until after the season is over.
That could be very interesting
 
Starbuck said:
If they appeal any deduction the decision is not announced until after the season is over.
That could be very interesting
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All appeals have to be done and dusted before the annual general meeting in June when the relegated clubs transfer their certificates.

You could have teams believing they have stayed up only for the decision to be overturned on an appeal.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
All appeals have to be done and dusted before the annual general meeting in June when the relegated clubs transfer their certificates.

You could have teams believing they have stayed up only for the decision to be overturned on an appeal.
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It certainly wouldn’t be helpful but they shouldn’t believe they have stayed up if that ends up being the case.
 
What a mess. Imagine you are Luton fans, and you secure 4th bottom in the dying moments of the last game of the season, celebrate like crazy, only to walk away from the ground and have the reality dawn on you that you may still be down and you might not even know for a month or two. Seems incredibly cruel.
 
Luton have already experienced injustice when it comes to relegation as a result of points reductions. Their story and return to the top flight is amazing. I hope they stay up, but suspect that they might experience further injustice!
 
Just been reading about it. The next meeting is currently scheduled for May the 24th. That's after the season ends. So technically both Everton and Forest could be relegated after the season is over.

What an absolute joke. Just leaving everyone down at the bottom in limbo. They will not know what points tally is required to be 'safe'. Imagine Forest or Everton 'staying up' 4th-5th bottom on the final day. Then relegated two weeks later.

All punishments need to be in place prior to the season starting. That includes appeals heard and actioned.

That article says Forest look Fecked. You can lose 105mil over a 3 year period. They spent 250mil and only recouped 5mil. Even the Brendon Johnson money doesn't count as outside the 3 year window.

Chelsea will almost certainly be the next one. Apparently a fire sale in the summer. Although zero chance of getting remotely the money back on any players they bought. Also good look getting them out the door when sat on 5-6-7 year contracts (who thought that was a good idea😂).
 
The whole process is an absolute shambles.

Why does everything take so long? Why the lack of transparency in what the punishments are? It's all very cloak and dagger and conjures images of a load of old blokes in suits having shady meetings and all a bit nudge nudge wink wink, secret handshakes, see you on the golf course at the weekend approach.
 
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At least as far as the 22-23 reporting round goes, which is what is still outstanding, it hasn’t been particularly slow at all. Charges within weeks. First hearing within weeks of that. Expedited appeal. You can’t have punishments the same season as the offence when the offence isn’t apparent until well after season is over. Earliest it can be is the next season. And later still is surely worse not better.
 
S7DiscoDown said:
All punishments need to be in place prior to the season starting. That includes appeals heard and actioned.
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That is simply unrealistic. What you are asking for is final accounts for the year to 30th June to be submitted, audited by the authorities, charges brought, penalties imposed, appeals prepared and heard and a final decision made inside of 6 weeks.

Basically there'd be no time for proper investigation or due process and you would almost certainly end up with erroneous penalties being rushed through, followed by court actions by clubs that drag on years and years and ultimately end with massive financial awards to clubs wrongly relegated 5 years earlier.
 
Luton Town FC and its fans would be well advised to concentrate on getting the job done on the pitch. If they finish the season outside the bottom 3 before any deductions have been applied, they stay up regardless. That would be my focus as a fan.

If they end up in the bottom 3 based on results over a 38 game season, they deserve to be relegated, but they might stay up on the technicality of financial breaches by other clubs when they weren't even in the Premier League. That would be an absolute bonus for them in those circumstances.
 
WilliamMunny said:
That is simply unrealistic. What you are asking for is final accounts for the year to 30th June to be submitted, audited by the authorities, charges brought, penalties imposed, appeals prepared and heard and a final decision made inside of 6 weeks.

Basically there'd be no time for proper investigation or due process and you would almost certainly end up with erroneous penalties being rushed through, followed by court actions by clubs that drag on years and years and ultimately end with massive financial awards to clubs wrongly relegated 5 years earlier.
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Could the solution be any penalties are applied the following season. They get found guilty this season, have all the appeals etc, and the penalty is applied to next season at the end of the appeals so everyone knows where they are.
 
CG85 said:
Could the solution be any penalties are applied the following season. They get found guilty this season, have all the appeals etc, and the penalty is applied to next season at the end of the appeals so everyone knows where they are.
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I'm confused at why there is a second potential penalty hanging over Everton this season? Surely it should either be applied next season or it should have been incorporated with the first 10 (6) point sanction?
 
CG85 said:
Could the solution be any penalties are applied the following season. They get found guilty this season, have all the appeals etc, and the penalty is applied to next season at the end of the appeals so everyone knows where they are.
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I think it is fine as it is, although ideally deductions and appeals would be finalised a bit earlier in the season.

As for teams knowing where they are, that's quite a simple one for me. 1. Don't breach FSR and you won't get a points deduction, but if you do breach, you have to pay the penalty. 2. If you haven't breached FSR, do what you need to on the pitch and don't rely on other clubs getting points deducted.
 
Colgates_shaving_foam said:
I'm confused at why there is a second potential penalty hanging over Everton this season? Surely it should either be applied next season or it should have been incorporated with the first 10 (6) point sanction?
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The first charge related to 3 years ending June 22 and the second charge for the 3 years ending June 23. I guess the Premier League was slow in dealing with the first charge but has got its act together for the year ended June 23.
 
WilliamMunny said:
The first charge related to 3 years ending June 22 and the second charge for the 3 years ending June 23. I guess the Premier League was slow in dealing with the first charge but has got its act together for the year ended June 23.
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Yes, it all seems very slapdash and off the cuff.

Not changed much since our 3 points debacle by the look of things.
 
S7DiscoDown said:
Just been reading about it. The next meeting is currently scheduled for May the 24th. That's after the season ends. So technically both Everton and Forest could be relegated after the season is over.

What an absolute joke. Just leaving everyone down at the bottom in limbo. They will not know what points tally is required to be 'safe'. Imagine Forest or Everton 'staying up' 4th-5th bottom on the final day. Then relegated two weeks later.

All punishments need to be in place prior to the season starting. That includes appeals heard and actioned.

That article says Forest look Fecked. You can lose 105mil over a 3 year period. They spent 250mil and only recouped 5mil. Even the Brendon Johnson money doesn't count as outside the 3 year window.

Chelsea will almost certainly be the next one. Apparently a fire sale in the summer. Although zero chance of getting remotely the money back on any players they bought. Also good look getting them out the door when sat on 5-6-7 year contracts (who thought that was a good idea😂).
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The Premier League needs to have heard Everton and Forest's cases by 8 April. No doubt both clubs will appeal their points deduction to try and circumnavigate relegation but it all needs to be concluded by the 24th of May. There is a general meeting scheduled for June when any relegated club will transfer their certificates.
 
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