Evening Gazette comments page on ‘the knee’

Linking Marxism to free school meals is one the most uneducated false equivalencies I've ever read.

I honestly don't get why BLM triggers people this much, they are fighting for equality, is that not something we all want? Yes there are issues with some members of the BLM moment, that can be said of any movement. These same people will be creating justifications for the bad actions of the Tories 'just a few bad apples', 'they are trying hard in difficult circumstances' ect ect.

Is it a sign of deep routed racism or just an extention of the rampant tribalism that's poisoning politics in the west currently. People need to educate themselves on the things they fear, socialist programmes are not Marxism, BLM is not putting black lives above all lives. Both of these things are striving to better society and create a better more tolerable place for everyone.

Shame on anyone who booed, it made me ashamed to be British if I'm totally honest. Morons booing because they don't understand the reality of BLM and social programmes, it was a shameful, seeing Boris and his crew of thieves normalise it has just added flames to the fire.
 
There's a mixture. A few who have tried to at least argue their cases articulately. There are a few silly comments that clearly aren't thought through, and there's one that's been removed presumably cos it just contains mindless racism.

There are a lot of people, though, who seem to be deliberately interpreting the taking of the knee to be a message of support for Marxism, because one/some of the BLM arms support that. But I'm pretty convinced none of these players are Marxists looking at their houses and cars :). Some people are just looking for excuses because they are either bored of seeing 'the gesture', or they are just completely opposed to the sentiment of racial equality but don't want to admit it.
 
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I looked at the hys section on bbc sport and it seems those pro kneeling are in the minority on their. Whatever we or people would like or think it is a contentious issue with many people.
 
zorro_mfc said:
I looked at the hys section on bbc sport and it seems those pro kneeling are in the minority on their. Whatever we or people would like or think it is a contentious issue with many people.
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Its predominantly contentious because of misinformation and a populist government essentially piggybacking on peoples prejudice to stay popular with their base.
The kneeling gesture is inoffensive, its a peaceful protest to a legitimate issue and should never have been framed to be anything more than it intends. In my opinion (for what its worth) this is just an extension of the tribalism in politics and a manifestation of peoples prejudice or insecurities.
 
I posted this in the other thread but it relevant here

it a contentious act though as the reaction shows it just is.


One point that was mentioned in the bbc site was what if one player objected to the gesture ( as is their right ) what then. Because it’s not a voluntary act is it no one would dare either not do it or publicly come out and question it.
Like we saw with Brit for instance.

before i am castigated I’m adding this view as this exactly what’s happened in F1 a few drivers refuse to kneel as to them it is disrespectful ( le cleric) for one have made this stand ( so to speak).
 
Bill seems to be a character on there. Got into an argument on there the other day. He claimed that no child goes hungry in the UK and that because obesity has went up in children, children cannot be going hungry. Didnt seem to realise that not every child is obese. But there are a lot of awful people on there, some of it makes me ashamed of the area with the pure hatred, ignorance and uncaring nature a lot of them seem to have.
 
zorro_mfc said:
I posted this in the other thread but it relevant here

it a contentious act though as the reaction shows it just is.


One point that was mentioned in the bbc site was what if one player objected to the gesture ( as is their right ) what then. Because it’s not a voluntary act is it no one would dare either not do it or publicly come out and question it.
Like we saw with Brit for instance.

before i am castigated I’m adding this view as this exactly what’s happened in F1 a few drivers refuse to kneel as to them it is disrespectful ( le cleric) for one have made this stand ( so to speak).
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Refusing to do the gesture peacefully is one thing, booing people for it is completely another. The drivers who refused to kneel made other efforts to show their support for the cause they didn't denigrate those who did.

I would also add that the rationale for the decision of some of those drivers was framed by the false equivalence the right wing press and commentators are drawing to the movement.
 
Hey I totally agree but im just saying that it is a contentious issue personally I think all political gestures should be removed from sport.
Look at us we’re we wrong to Not kneel then ( yes I know we as a club did other things ) but other fans don’t know that they just see a boro side ignoring the kneel as others do it.
 
zorro_mfc said:
Hey I totally agree but im just saying that it is a contentious issue personally I think all political gestures should be removed from sport.
Look at us we’re we wrong to Not kneel then ( yes I know we as a club did other things ) but other fans don’t know that they just see a boro side ignoring the kneel as others do it.
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No poppy should be worn?
 
zorro_mfc said:
I posted this in the other thread but it relevant here

it a contentious act though as the reaction shows it just is.


One point that was mentioned in the bbc site was what if one player objected to the gesture ( as is their right ) what then. Because it’s not a voluntary act is it no one would dare either not do it or publicly come out and question it.
Like we saw with Brit for instance.

before i am castigated I’m adding this view as this exactly what’s happened in F1 a few drivers refuse to kneel as to them it is disrespectful ( le cleric) for one have made this stand ( so to speak).
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All of the F1 drivers do support the anti-racism principle which is the most important thing in my book. Whether they kneeled or stood silently in solidarity is irrelevant to me.

Sportspeople around the world could make any form of anti-racism gesture yet the racists would find a way to criticise.
 
zorro_mfc said:
www.theguardian.com

IOC bans athletes from taking a knee and podium protests at Tokyo Olympics

International Olympic Committee polled more than 3,000 athletes and two-thirds responded by saying they support the ban on podium protests
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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The Olympics has been used as a platform by athletes
zorro_mfc said:
Hey I totally agree but im just saying that it is a contentious issue personally I think all political gestures should be removed from sport.
Look at us we’re we wrong to Not kneel then ( yes I know we as a club did other things ) but other fans don’t know that they just see a boro side ignoring the kneel as others do it.
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Politics and sport have always been linked. Team sports in the 1800s like football were born from political motivations and a changing work demographic. Life, sport, society, everything in life is political.
These sports people have a say in society too, we shouldn't be advocating censorship.

Not trying to battle with you here but gestures that are seen by millions bring attention. Protests in the streets are slowly being outlawed (or at least limiting their size and impact) now the knee is too much. What can we do? How can people protest if a simple gesture is too much and protests are vilified 'they're all looters' or 'scruffy students with no idea about life'. I'm sorry but protest should be contentious (even though this is only that way predominantly because of lies and the agenda of some of the press) equality is something worth fighting for and I think this gesture is about the most peaceful way you can get a message across on mass these days.
 
BoroFur said:
All of the F1 drivers do support the anti-racism principle which is the most important thing in my book. Whether they kneeled or stood silently in solidarity is irrelevant to me.

Sportspeople around the world could make any form of anti-racism gesture yet the racists would find a way to criticise.
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Yes they do but many refuse to kneel as is their right.
 
nowthen said:
No poppy should be worn?
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The poppy thing is very strange. I really don't understand how or why it started. As an old git who went to football in the late 60's which let's not forget was only 25ish years after WW2 it was NEVER a thing and there would have been veterans of that global conflict stood on the terraces. It seems to be part of the lurch towards nationalism that I find disturbing. Not prepared to wear a poppy? GET OUT! It is divisive, it shouldn't be it should be a simple remembrance of those who gave their lives often conscripted and ill led. For me plastering poppies all over football shirts is almost insulting to the sacrifice of those poor lads.

I'd certainly lose the poppy before I stopped players taking the knee
 
zorro_mfc said:
Yes they do but many refuse to kneel as is their right.
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@JonnyHistory previous comments are spot on.

"I would also add that the rationale for the decision of some of those drivers was framed by the false equivalence the right wing press and commentators are drawing to the movement."
 
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