EU publishes AZ Contract

TeaCider said:
Not seeing how.
Best Reasonable Efforts isn't a cast iron guarantee, presumably the UK's earlier contract takes precedence.

Seems more like releasing the details of the contract has just provided both sides with ammunition to defend their own point of view, and hasn't changed much.
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Being first does not guarantee precedence unless specifically stated in both contracts. It’s not stated.
 
bear66 said:
There was a good (legal) explanation yesterday of how renegotiation was the only way out. They can't favour either way and can't split the available vaccines either without breaking contract. There will presumably be a force majeure clause to go back to square one.
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Exactly this
 
MFP said:
I don't see why the contract with the UK and AstraZeneca would need renegotiating. We have no problem. By all accounts things are working fine. This is an issue between the EU and AZ, and despite the rather obnoxious rhetoric coming out of Europe trying to drag the UK in this matter, it's not our really our concern.

Interestingly, the contract released today states:

Seems the EU's position isn't a strong one here.
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That clause is in relation to competing agreements entered into by the EU, not AZ.
 
I cant see that the UK have done anything wrong at all. It looks like AZ have over promised and now are unable to deliver - thats between them and the EU. But the EU seem to be saying they should break their contract with us and deliver more to the EU.

As big a fan as I am of the EU they've completely b@lls up this vaccine roll out, slow to make orders, slow to authorise its use and now behind others in the que for supplies.
 
Kosovo said:
What have the UK actually done wrong. It does look like the EU are trying to drag the UK into their mess all because of Brexit.

On the solidarity issue strange how only a few members received a letter about taking legal action.
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I don't think the UK have done anything wrong (in this case) and I don't think anyone is suggesting they have?
 
Malaguena said:
The UK were ahead of the game in absolutely nothing to do with Covid ..... world class my @rse
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The UK have been leading the world in testing per capita and the vaccine roll out has gone very well.
The UK is not Boris Johnson and the Tory party. It is about 60 million odd individuals, many of whom are highly competent and contribute greatly to society. Not least of whom are the Oxford university scientists who have not only come up with an effective vaccine in a ludcrously short period, but have produced one that will cost far less and is far easier to deliver than many other candidates.
To suggest everything is bad is just as nonsensical as suggesting everything is good.
 
Malaguena said:
The UK were ahead of the game in absolutely nothing to do with Covid ..... world class my @rse
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The UK's faith and investment in vaccine development and getting contracts in early with various producers was the right decision to make. The government intervening in the Oxford Uni/Merck collaboration and encouraging the uni to work with AstraZeneca instead has proven to be inspired.

There are very few positives in the UK during this pandemic, but for you to scoff at the idea that we've not been ahead of the game in regards to vaccine acquisition and rollout is incredibly ignorant. This is one thing done very well.
 
bear66 said:
There was a good (legal) explanation yesterday of how renegotiation was the only way out. They can't favour either way and can't split the available vaccines either without breaking contract. There will presumably be a force majeure clause to go back to square one.
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Apparently not.
 
TeaCider said:
Macron seems to have shat the bed, publicly saying that the AstroZenaca vaccine doesn't work on over 65s (a lie) within hours of the EMA approving it for use on over 65s.

Moron.
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Yes, and he convinced the EU to put a lot of its eggs into the Pasteur and Sanofi basket, which has not worked out as the former has abandoned its program and the latter won't have a vaccine ready until the end of the year at the earliest. Both accounted for hundreds of millions of doses for the EU.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
The UK have been leading the world in testing per capita and the vaccine roll out has gone very well.
The UK is not Boris Johnson and the Tory party. It is about 60 million odd individuals, many of whom are highly competent and contribute greatly to society. Not least of whom are the Oxford university scientists who have not only come up with an effective vaccine in a ludcrously short period, but have produced one that will cost far less and is far easier to deliver than many other candidates.
To suggest everything is bad is just as nonsensical as suggesting everything is good.
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Sherrif absolutely. Said this the other day - it's possible for this government to be the worst in my lifetime, Brexit being a horrible act of self harm as well as the EU making a massive hash of their vaccine rollout.

People shouldn't retreat to their trenches when it comes to discussions.

Some of the rhetoric coming from members of the EU and the suggestion that they will make life difficult for the manufacturers in the EU area disappointing even for a remainder like myself
 
Emmersons_BrazillianDong said:
Sherrif absolutely. Said this the other day - it's possible for this government to be the worst in my lifetime, Brexit being a horrible act of self harm as well as the EU making a massive hash of their vaccine rollout.

People shouldn't retreat to their trenches when it comes to discussions.

Some of the rhetoric coming from members of the EU and the suggestion that they will make life difficult for the manufacturers in the EU area disappointing even for a remainder like myself
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Couldn’t agree with this more. As much as I am a supporter of remain, on the vaccine roll out issue the independent UK has acted much better than the EU. Not so much in approvals (we always had the MHRA to give us independent approvals) but in the rest, procurement and preparedness.

I still worry about the gap between the booster jabs but compared to the EU the UK has been ok the ball with vaccines. Not many countries (Israel?) can say they’ve done better
 
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Apparently the EU earlier today published a copy of the contract which had access to confidential aspects of it.

"In the original draft published, it appears the EU included a series of pdf ‘bookmarks’ which mistakenly revealed the opening lines of almost every paragraph in the document – even the redacted material. As a result, sensitive commercial information was freely distributed online. It didn’t take long for the EU to pull the offending document, but even so, it may be that the damage has already been done".

AstraZeneca may well have the last laugh here. See ya in court.
 
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