Doom_On_Horseback
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Seems as though it is highlighted that UK sites should be used in the supply within the first quarter.
EU publishes AZ Contract
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AstraZeneca shall use its Best Reasonable Efforts to manufacture the vaccine at manufacturing sites located in the EU (which, for the purpose of this section 5.4 only shall include the United Kingdom).
It seems more and more likely that the contracts (AZ with the EU and AZ with the UK) are in direct contradiction and cannot both be fulfilled satisfactorily so will both need renegotiating. AstraZeneca CEO Soriot looks weak and ill-informed now after his fiery interview from earlier this week.
It seems more and more likely that the contracts (AZ with the EU and AZ with the UK) are in direct contradiction and cannot both be fulfilled satisfactorily so will both need renegotiating. AstraZeneca CEO Soriot looks weak and ill-informed now after his fiery interview from earlier this week.
Doom_On_Horseback
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Meanwhile, EU Justice Commissioner Didier Reynders has warned of a "vaccine war".
Speaking on Belgian radio, he said: "The EU commission has pushed to co-ordinate the vaccines contracts on behalf of the 27 precisely to avoid a vaccines war between EU countries, but maybe the UK wants to start a vaccine war?
"Solidarity is an important principle of the EU. With Brexit, it's clear that the UK doesn't want to show solidarity with anyone."
Taken from the BBC
Speaking on Belgian radio, he said: "The EU commission has pushed to co-ordinate the vaccines contracts on behalf of the 27 precisely to avoid a vaccines war between EU countries, but maybe the UK wants to start a vaccine war?
"Solidarity is an important principle of the EU. With Brexit, it's clear that the UK doesn't want to show solidarity with anyone."
Taken from the BBC
El Guapo
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That’s just petty ballhooks
Hicktonpen10
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Pathetic comments. We were ahead of the game get over it
TeaCider
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Not seeing how.
Best Reasonable Efforts isn't a cast iron guarantee, presumably the UK's earlier contract takes precedence.
Seems more like releasing the details of the contract has just provided both sides with ammunition to defend their own point of view, and hasn't changed much.
El Guapo
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The uk contract might be worded differently and be “shall supply”, shall being legally binding whereas “best reasonable effort” is just that. It’s all very unseemly really when you consider last year it was all about protecting everyone and working together and now it’s toys out the pram and Every man for himself! The human race eh...?
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SmallTown
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If your best reasonable effort is delayed by you having to fulfil another order then so be it. I don’t think a “best reasonable effort” has any metric behind it so could mean one single dose. Looks like the EU have screwed up their negotiations here. Shame they didn’t use the same negotiators for Br***t
davidmills
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"Solidarity is an important principle of the EU."
Is that why Germany have purchased 30 million extra doses seperate from the E.U.
Is that why Germany have purchased 30 million extra doses seperate from the E.U.
Ingleby_Flash
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‘Best reasonable effects‘ is a contractual term and pretty much means you have to do everything at your disposal and regardless of costs to meet the contract. In business I would only ever sign up to ‘reasonable endeavour‘ which gives more wriggle room. Contractually the word ‘best’ is troublesome here.
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret
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I'll leave the contract talk to the lawyers,
though perhaps we can look at our contract with moderna and see if they can divert some of their supplies going to the EU currently to the UK, where we aren't getting any until the spring.
The EUs behaviour seems very poor to me. It is their tardiness in securing the deal with AZ which has led to them being short. Furthermore they have not even authorised its use yet. Save for Germany where they would be taking vaccines to be used for over 70s and giving them to under 65s.
The protectionism and nationalism seems to be coming from the EU. Are Pfizer seeing the same critiscms and our press are not reporting it? Or are AZ getting all the flack because we have been able to make a good start in our vaccination programme and they want to portray it as us being greedy rather than their cautiousness translating to a slow roll out.
though perhaps we can look at our contract with moderna and see if they can divert some of their supplies going to the EU currently to the UK, where we aren't getting any until the spring.
The EUs behaviour seems very poor to me. It is their tardiness in securing the deal with AZ which has led to them being short. Furthermore they have not even authorised its use yet. Save for Germany where they would be taking vaccines to be used for over 70s and giving them to under 65s.
The protectionism and nationalism seems to be coming from the EU. Are Pfizer seeing the same critiscms and our press are not reporting it? Or are AZ getting all the flack because we have been able to make a good start in our vaccination programme and they want to portray it as us being greedy rather than their cautiousness translating to a slow roll out.
SmallTown
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No, that's because they have sovereignty. Anyone else could above what the EU gets.
davidmills
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so there is no solidarity then it is just a free for all
SmallTown
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bear66
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There was a good (legal) explanation yesterday of how renegotiation was the only way out. They can't favour either way and can't split the available vaccines either without breaking contract. There will presumably be a force majeure clause to go back to square one.
MFP
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I don't see why the contract with the UK and AstraZeneca would need renegotiating. We have no problem. By all accounts things are working fine. This is an issue between the EU and AZ, and despite the rather obnoxious rhetoric coming out of Europe trying to drag the UK in this matter, it's not our really our concern.
Interestingly, the contract released today states:
Seems the EU's position isn't a strong one here.
Tommy_Dickfingers
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AstraZeneca shall use its Best Reasonable Efforts to manufacture the vaccine at manufacturing sites located in the EU (which, for the purpose of this section 5.4 only shall include the United Kingdom).
I was listening to the wireless yesterday and the issue is the Best Reasonable Efforts and they should have had force majeure.
The lawyer on there likened it to ordering a pizza. Once you order a pizza you enter a contract, however if the contract had BRE and they run out because of a larger order being placed before yours then it's hard luck.
I was listening to the wireless yesterday and the issue is the Best Reasonable Efforts and they should have had force majeure.
The lawyer on there likened it to ordering a pizza. Once you order a pizza you enter a contract, however if the contract had BRE and they run out because of a larger order being placed before yours then it's hard luck.