Corcaigh_the_Cat
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There's still more fatalities here unfortunately, it's been so badly managed by the government.
Time will tell when it comes to the effect of the vaccine.
EU making a pigs breakfast of vaccination programme
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There's still more fatalities here unfortunately, it's been so badly managed by the government.
Time will tell when it comes to the effect of the vaccine.
Ex Footy Legs
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We might all have vaccines but there is no jobs to go back to and this debacle government's test and trace rubbish and testing regime ; 12months in and still no mass testing to see which asymptomatics are spreading the virus. You couldn't make it up.
Add on Brexit mess of a deal (lied to by Johnson)
yeah, everything is great! village idiot.
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Not equally divided but equitably divided. A small but important distinction.
Doom_On_Horseback
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You might want to re-read the topic of this thread. It's not a Brexit thread. It is relating to the vaccine rollout. I voted to remain. Not everything about Brexit is a negative. And I don't take kindly to being referred to as an idiot.
Doom_On_Horseback
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Of course not equally divided, but you knew what I meant.
spanishman
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I think there are a number of aspects here from an EU perspective. Based on my experience in Spain:
1. Countries (and regions within countries) are gearing up for vaccination at different rates. For example, if you look at the stats for Spain the vaccination rate varies a very large amount between autonomous regions.
2. The EU has been hit by production delays to both the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines. This means that there are fewer vaccines available in the short term.
3. I expect the EU rates of vaccination to increase very significantly once the flow of vaccines to the EU increases. Sadly this might not be until at least March. However I think people should watch out for a massive surge of vaccination in the EU in the not too distant future.
Finally, as has been pointed out here and elsewhere, the UK is taking a risk that other countries are not taking. By widening the gap between the two injections. We will not see whether this was a good or bad call for some time. I hope the UK is lucky!
1. Countries (and regions within countries) are gearing up for vaccination at different rates. For example, if you look at the stats for Spain the vaccination rate varies a very large amount between autonomous regions.
2. The EU has been hit by production delays to both the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines. This means that there are fewer vaccines available in the short term.
3. I expect the EU rates of vaccination to increase very significantly once the flow of vaccines to the EU increases. Sadly this might not be until at least March. However I think people should watch out for a massive surge of vaccination in the EU in the not too distant future.
Finally, as has been pointed out here and elsewhere, the UK is taking a risk that other countries are not taking. By widening the gap between the two injections. We will not see whether this was a good or bad call for some time. I hope the UK is lucky!
Doom_On_Horseback
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Yes, I agree. A little remiss of me to say I'd rather be in our position, but I'm sure people will appreciate I meant simply regarding the numbers of vaccines rolled out. Let's hope the affect of the vaccine is positive, as what other hope is left?
Malaguena
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Pleased for you - I'd much rather be in Spanish shoes than the UK right now
Edit - just seen your clarification - I'd still rather be here though
spanishman
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I agree. The Spanish system of government is by no means perfect. However I believe that the selection of policies, implementation of policies and communication about policies has been much better here than in the UK.
ChrisTheRed
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We could do a million and people would say ah but its not 2 million is it. Just pat for the course really.
The EU have dropped a ball and even if the UK was still in it wouldn't have made it better and we would have been dragged down by it.
The EU have dropped a ball and even if the UK was still in it wouldn't have made it better and we would have been dragged down by it.
SmallTown
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I don't, and I work in the industry. How do you know its not about safety and efficacy?
SmallTown
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IKR? It's almost as if the countries have sovereignty. Makes you think.
Or at least it should.
spanishman
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I would agree with you if the UK had decided to go with a shorter period between injections. It will be some time until we know whether this is a good or bad idea. Why take the risk if you are doing the injections efficiently?
SmallTown
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We couldn't do a million people and we haven't done anywhere near that. We have fudged the figures to make it look better. Even within the EU we had sovereignty to do what wish and we had the MHRA who would still have approved the vaccine for emergency use outside of the EMA. So no, you are wrong. Brexit hasn't made any difference to this roll out.
ChrisTheRed
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We had to do it that way. Surely it is better to have 15m people with some help as opposed to 7.5m with full. Let's be honest unless we had 120m vaccine doses then it is all about doing the best we can.
indeedido
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The best point made on the thread was for me by LaPB.
This is a global pandemic and we are a country that hosts a lot of visitors from all over the world and who's population travels extensively.
I hope our roll out continues to go so well, that the undecided actually take the vaccine and we cover the population as soon as possible this year.
However, I also sincerely hope that Europe and the rest of the world catch up too, for their benefit and to complete ours.
Climate change is not addressed through countries or blocks like the EU. Everyone has to get on board.
Dealing with Pandemics is the same- we are only as strong as our weakest link.
This is a global pandemic and we are a country that hosts a lot of visitors from all over the world and who's population travels extensively.
I hope our roll out continues to go so well, that the undecided actually take the vaccine and we cover the population as soon as possible this year.
However, I also sincerely hope that Europe and the rest of the world catch up too, for their benefit and to complete ours.
Climate change is not addressed through countries or blocks like the EU. Everyone has to get on board.
Dealing with Pandemics is the same- we are only as strong as our weakest link.
The_Lizards_Jumpers
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Apart from there's no evidence to suggest that those 15m will have "some help" as they're using it off licence. Now that's not an issue in itself (plenty of drugs are used off-licence) but it normally has some level of scientific study and evidence to back it up.
With the current approach there's no way of knowing if those who are currently "vaccinated" will have any level of protection in 12 weeks, but what this approach does allow is Tory MP's to post soundbites on Twitter about how we're "world leading".
Same_as_before
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Again any good news is put down to it would have been the same under Brexit. It's the ongoing mantra.
See Nissan.
Any debate is pointless.
See Nissan.
Any debate is pointless.
spanishman
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I do not agree with this. The approach was untested with the vaccines you have got. There was no evidence from trials in favour of this approach when it was adopted in the UK.
In the last few days the government has been urged to reduce the period to a maximum of 6 weeks. This has been reported by both Sky and the BBC. So there are doubts amongst doctors about the approach adopted.
If it does not work then it would be on a scale with the earlier mistake of releasing people into care homes from hospital without testing them.
For the good of the UK I hope the approach works. If it does not, then it is a massive court case in waiting.
