Electricity Standing Charges. N.E amongst the highest

[r00fie1]

Found a comparison quoted yesterday in Devon Live of the variation in Standing Charges* - for just one supplier.
[* pre-paid meter users pay even more and are often the poorest - least able to afford the huge discrepancies].
Whilst Gas is a standard daily charge across the board - the daily standing charge for electricity, varies from 30.61pence per day [ppd] in London, to 49.16 ppd in the South West.
The Supplier quoted is EDF.
It will be interesting to find out the standing charge across the industry for all the separate private companies in the UK.

Devon hit by 'unfair' bill that's '£70 cheaper in London'

Households in the South West pay the highest standing charge in the UK

www.devonlive.com

 

[r00fie1]

Checked my daily standing charge with Octopus Energy: 22.63 ppd + 5% VAT = 23.76 ppd
Which is 18.9 ppd cheaper than EDF!
What a rip off.

 

[afcb_acklam]

43.4 & 27.22 for me, outfox the market - not so great either!

 

[jeff_potato]

My Octopus rate is the same as EDF, but might be that much higher than yours because I'm one of those people shunted across when my previous supplier went bust.

 

[boroboy6872]

And that`s just it isnt it

My Electricity Standing charge is just over 42ppd where as others are different

Surely it should be standard across the network?

 

[Laughing]

If you overlay those standing charges with a tory held constituency I am thinking you will get a very strong pattern emerging.

 

[Cambsred]

My standing charge for electricity is 51.626 with British gas.

I didn't realise the standard variable wasn't standardised. Nor did I realise there were regional variations.

 

[sherlock]

My standing charges are a little higher as I took a 2 year fix with Eon in April. Given that the unit rate fix is at the current price cap rate though, it's looking like a wise decision.

 

[clay]

The price cap includes standing charges and unit rates: if an area has the highest standing charges, that must therefore mean they have the lowest unit rates?

 

[junos_boots]

This is to do with how poor an area is. It looks a fairly cynical ploy to me. If you are in a poor area and therefore more likely to cut back on electricity use to save money, you will get less of a saving due to the high standing charge that applies no matter how much you use.

 

[Vzzzbx]

Its nothing to do with how poor an area is, otherwise tower hamlets would have a high standing charge as well.

Standing charges are the cost of providing energy to a region. It costs more to provide to a rural area than it does to a built up area, so if your region has more rural/remote areas then your standing charge is higher.

Gas And Electricity Standing Charges Explained

If you check your energy bills, you might notice they include so-called ‘standing charges’, as well as the amount you pay for the gas and/or electricity yo

www.forbes.com

 

[r00fie1]

Its nothing to do with how poor an area is, otherwise tower hamlets would have a high standing charge as well.

Standing charges are the cost of providing energy to a region. It costs more to provide to a rural area than it does to a built up area, so if your region has more rural/remote areas then your standing charge is higher.

Gas And Electricity Standing Charges Explained

If you check your energy bills, you might notice they include so-called ‘standing charges’, as well as the amount you pay for the gas and/or electricity yo

www.forbes.com

At 45.83 ppd the West Midlands must be pretty rural then?
Compared to London - 30.61 ppd

 

[r00fie1]

Perhaps "ppd" should really mean P***take Per Day?

 

[Vzzzbx]

At 45.83 ppd the West Midlands must be pretty rural then?
Compared to London - 30.61 ppd

Looks Pretty rural to me. Comparing the number of households versus the geographical area of Each DNO (West midlands is DNO 1) . i would assume a higher number of households in a smaller area like in London need less pylons and network stuff like meter readers etc. than somewhere like the north of England or northern Scotland. the regions are also looked after by different companies.

 

[r00fie1]

Looks Pretty rural to me. Comparing the number of households versus the geographical area of Each DNO (West midlands is DNO 1) . i would assume a higher number of households in a smaller area like in London need less pylons and network stuff like meter readers etc. than somewhere like the north of England or northern Scotland. the regions are also looked after by different companies.

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Thanks for the information, but the Distribution Network Operators geographics, doesnt equate to the cost of ppd differentials.
As always - its more complicated than that.
The cost of gas infrastructure is equally costly to maintain and connect, but its uniform Unit Cost Per Day suggests other factors are in play in relation to electricity generation and supply.

 

[ThatFragranceGuy]

https://help.outfoxthemarket.co.uk/hc/en-gb/article_attachments/4405932957980/Fox_Paper_Standard_Dual.pdf

Unit rates also differ by area, and we have lower unit rates typically. Example above of my old supplier

I'd rather have lower unit rates than standing charges tbf as standing charges are fixed rates and unit rates escalate with usage, but it will largely balance itself out
North east using 3731 units (the average) will cost £1064.45, someone in London £1164.45 so bang on £100 more

Standing charge north east £200.45
London £135.92

Difference £64.53 less. So someone in London pays £100 more for their elec and £64.53 less for their SC

Hardly the north being ripped off imo

 

[Cambsred]

Let's pull some fmttm figures for standard variable. see which region is being shafted on average most.

 

[Andy_W]

Thanks for the information, but the Distribution Network Operators geographics, doesnt equate to the cost of ppd differentials.
As always - its more complicated than that.
The cost of gas infrastructure is equally costly to maintain and connect, but its uniform Unit Cost Per Day suggests other factors are in play in relation to electricity generation and supply.

Might be something daft to do with volts drop/ increased resistance and the grid, the further you go, the more the voltage drop/ resitance and the more losses to heat and the likes. Will also be to do with what areas are fed by which production they're closest to.

The North East is like 23% nuclear and 36% interconnections (imported electric) at the minute, and they're both going to be more expensive than any other method of production.

London for example is 50% gas at the minute, which is cheap (still, comparatively), only 11% Nuclear and 4% interconnectors.

Local DNO's will buy from the producers at whatever they sell it for (which is different), and then this gets sold to the suppliers, who then knock that on the bills.

It could be a lot worse up here actually, seems like the standing charge is only like £6 a month more for up here compared to London, despite us using the much more expensive electricity.

We should all be using the same supplies as one big pot, but it won't work like that, as there are so many companies involved, all with their own cable networks.

Gas is different, as it's all National Grid/ Cadent for the main transmission from the top of Scotland down to the south of England (plus some from Teesside and Humberside) and they charge the same flat gas rate out, no matter what, as what they buy is at a rate set by the market (similar to oil price per barrel).
Gas also doesn't suffer the same losses over distance, no losses to heat and the high pressure/ intermediate pressure and medium pressure pipelines are very well looked after, and they're very protective about them. It's only the localised low-pressure mains which nobody gives a toss about.

 

[Laughing]

Might be something daft to do with volts drop/ increased resistance and the grid, the further you go, the more the voltage drop/ resitance and the more losses to heat and the likes. Will also be to do with what areas are fed by which production they're closest to.

The North East is like 23% nuclear and 36% interconnections (imported electric) at the minute, and they're both going to be more expensive than any other method of production.

London for example is 50% gas at the minute, which is cheap (still, comparatively), only 11% Nuclear and 4% interconnectors.

Local DNO's will buy from the producers at whatever they sell it for (which is different), and then this gets sold to the suppliers, who then knock that on the bills.

It could be a lot worse up here actually, seems like the standing charge is only like £6 a month more for up here compared to London, despite us using the much more expensive electricity.

We should all be using the same supplies as one big pot, but it won't work like that, as there are so many companies involved, all with their own cable networks.

Gas is different, as it's all National Grid/ Cadent for the main transmission from the top of Scotland down to the south of England (plus some from Teesside and Humberside) and they charge the same flat gas rate out, no matter what, as what they buy is at a rate set by the market (similar to oil price per barrel).
Gas also doesn't suffer the same losses over distance, no losses to heat and the high pressure/ intermediate pressure and medium pressure pipelines are very well looked after, and they're very protective about them. It's only the localised low-pressure mains which nobody gives a toss about.

As I said above is almost certainly to do with how a region tends to vote. Call me an old cynic if you must

 

[r00fie1]

Might be something daft to do with volts drop/ increased resistance and the grid, the further you go, the more the voltage drop/ resitance and the more losses to heat and the likes. Will also be to do with what areas are fed by which production they're closest to.

The North East is like 23% nuclear and 36% interconnections (imported electric) at the minute, and they're both going to be more expensive than any other method of production.

London for example is 50% gas at the minute, which is cheap (still, comparatively), only 11% Nuclear and 4% interconnectors.

Local DNO's will buy from the producers at whatever they sell it for (which is different), and then this gets sold to the suppliers, who then knock that on the bills.

It could be a lot worse up here actually, seems like the standing charge is only like £6 a month more for up here compared to London, despite us using the much more expensive electricity.

We should all be using the same supplies as one big pot, but it won't work like that, as there are so many companies involved, all with their own cable networks.

Gas is different, as it's all National Grid/ Cadent for the main transmission from the top of Scotland down to the south of England (plus some from Teesside and Humberside) and they charge the same flat gas rate out, no matter what, as what they buy is at a rate set by the market (similar to oil price per barrel).
Gas also doesn't suffer the same losses over distance, no losses to heat and the high pressure/ intermediate pressure and medium pressure pipelines are very well looked after, and they're very protective about them. It's only the localised low-pressure mains which nobody gives a toss about.

I concur with your sentiments about the inadequacy of many companies involved and that "one big pot" [managed centrally] would be more efficient and preferable, but it cant explain why a concentrated urban area like Birmingham/Wolverhampton/Coventry/Walsall/Dudley is dearer than London [for example]. I suspect the foreign-owned private generation and distribution companies are ripping us off. There is always the question about where renewable energy, comes into the equation?