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BoroMart said:
VAR generates a whole new set of celebrations. The schadenfraude moment where you get to absolutely howl with laughter at a set of fans losing their rag because a goal got ruled out. “Can’t celebrate isn’t a available excuse for not liking var”
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See this is the fundamental thing. People enjoy football in different ways. It absolutely does take away from the goal. Being able to give a load out to the opposition in no way makes up for it.
 
B_G said:
I'm not sure they would. I hate that we now argue whether one player's toe nail is closer to the goal than another.
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Nobody argues that the ball wasn’t quite over the goal line stating that goal line technology is ruining the game. It becomes fact based.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
See this is the fundamental thing. People enjoy football in different ways. It absolutely does take away from the goal. Being able to give a load out to the opposition in no way makes up for it.
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I enjoy the moment when a teams fans stop celebrating and lose their collective minds that the goal has been disallowed. It’s fantastic drama, pure entertainment.

What this thread tells me is that people need something to moan about, they’re not happy if they can’t moan at something 😂
 
BoroMart said:
I enjoy the moment when a teams fans stop celebrating and lose their collective minds that the goal has been disallowed. It’s fantastic drama, pure entertainment.

What this thread tells me is that people need something to moan about, they’re not happy if they can’t moan at something 😂
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Entertained by the reactions of disappointed fans?
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
You don't need all seater stadia in modern stadia. Toilets and other facilities could have been improved, that they weren't is all about attitudes at the tops of clubs. There are excellent facilities at grounds where standing is very much the norm.

The vast majority of games don't use VAR. Are you saying that key decisions are wrong at these matches. I watch a lot of football, most cheating takes place during games covered by VAR, not at the games without it. Players are constantly fouled in the penalty box and nothing is done about it, so VAR isn't doing what it should do.

It's not about being 'old hat'. It's about a level playing field across football, not using a system for one small part of the sport and not using it on the vast majority.

All you're doing in supporting the current system is acknowledging that football is only about the top flight. That football across the rest of the nation is irrelevant. Only money in football matters.
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No I agree it should be across the board or at least to levels where the leagues think it can be funded. I accept cheating is probably more of a problem the higher you go, that’s a fair comment.

As a general principle though I think if the technology is there to get the decisions right or even just more right then it should be used.

I honestly can’t understand why some posters are so massively opposed to it, our team is not affected by it anyway in the championship and I can’t bring myself to care too much about fans of Man U, Liverpool etc
 
El Guapo said:
And vice-versa to that last sentence
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100%. I (like most people) think my version would be better than what we currently have which is why I argue my case and everyone is free to do the same. There have been loads of changes over the years to the rules, some good and some bad. VAR isn't one thing and we're not at the final point either. I recognise we have VAR but there will constantly be changes to the way it is implemented (again some good and some bad). There is no way to keep everyone happy.

My biggest bugbears in football are cheating, time-wasting, referees making huge mistakes and incorrect offsides. VAR can help with some of them.

Offsides are too difficult for humans to get right accurately and consistently and can easily be moved to an (almost fully) automated system which has no delay and there is no need for in-depth analysis or debate. It is almost a binary/factual based decision. The current VAR version of offside is just a slight mis-step in the right direction.

Referees making huge mistakes is also easily correctable and should be the only thing that needs another human or humans to have a look at and the majority of these major decisions can be made really quickly. Subjective decisions are tricky but could easily be sped up by having multiple referees reviewing it with a voting system. 2 VARs view it if they both agree with the ref then the decision is made, if they both agree with each other but not the on-field ref then it gets overturned, if it's split then the on-field decision stands. Should be simple enough and doesn't need to take forever.

Cheating and time-wasting can be solved with retrospective punishments and harsher punishments. We already have rules to punish these but the referees don't use them. The mor eit is clamped down on the less it happens and the easier it becomes for referees to do their job. Timekeeping shouldn't be controlled by the referee. It should be done by someone on the sidelines and the clock should be stopped in certain circumstance and everyone should be able to see the real time. Game ends with a buzzer, not when the referee decides. Make timewasting pointless and they will stop doing it.

Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
I watch a lot of football, most cheating takes place during games covered by VAR, not at the games without it.
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I completely disagree with this. There is less diving in those games but the amount of things that players do what they can "get away with" is far higher. Players holding each other, shirt pulling, off the ball incidents, little niggly fouls etc are all really prevalent in the lower leagues. Fighting and abusing referees can also be really bad. You might not see all that as the same sort of cheating as diving but it is still cheating.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Entertained by the reactions of disappointed fans?
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Clubs are missing a trick by not advertising this when putting prices up.

“Thanks to VAR, you get to celebrate the goal, the confirmation of the goal AND the away fans having one of their goals ruled out after an exciting period of behind-closed-doors deliberation that you’re not privy to! We think £25 per celebration is more than good value and that’s why, as a gesture of goodwill, we’ve priced our tickets at £60 for the upcoming fixture with Crystal Palace.”
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
Clubs are missing a trick by not advertising this when putting prices up.

“Thanks to VAR, you get to celebrate the goal, the confirmation of the goal AND the away fans having one of their goals ruled out after an exciting period of behind-closed-doors deliberation that you’re not privy to! We think £25 per celebration is more than good value and that’s why, as a gesture of goodwill, we’ve priced our tickets at £60 for the upcoming fixture with Crystal Palace.”
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Come on viv, have you never laughed at a goal being ruled out for offside? Where you’re sense of fun man!
 
HolgateCorner said:
No I agree it should be across the board or at least to levels where the leagues think it can be funded. I accept cheating is probably more of a problem the higher you go, that’s a fair comment.

As a general principle though I think if the technology is there to get the decisions right or even just more right then it should be used.

I honestly can’t understand why some posters are so massively opposed to it, our team is not affected by it anyway in the championship and I can’t bring myself to care too much about fans of Man U, Liverpool etc
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If we spent the money that's been punted on VAR on goal line technology then we could cover quite a bit of football in the country, and that technology has been around for a long time.

One of many problems with VAR is that it isn't doing what it was supposed to do, stop clear and obvious mistakes. That's all it needs and would take little time to do. Instead it's looking in detail at goal and penalty incidents and offsides which aren't clear errors.

That is how it was sold, it doesn't do what it said on the tin.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
If we spent the money that's been punted on VAR on goal line technology then we could cover quite a bit of football in the country, and that technology has been around for a long time.

One of many problems with VAR is that it isn't doing what it was supposed to do, stop clear and obvious mistakes. That's all it needs and would take little time to do. Instead it's looking in detail at goal and penalty incidents and offsides which aren't clear errors.

That is how it was sold, it doesn't do what it said on the tin.
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That’s the way it is managed by the refs though, not the system itself and maybe we need a new generation of tech savvy modern thinking refs to work their way through and make it better.

I find it disappointing that traditional team sports like cricket and rugby have embraced new refereeing technology much more sensibly than football.
 
HolgateCorner said:
That’s the way it is managed by the refs though, not the system itself and maybe we need a new generation of tech savvy modern thinking refs to work their way through and make it better.

I find it disappointing that traditional team sports like cricket and rugby have embraced new refereeing technology much more sensibly than football.
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Different sports for different technologies. I'd have goal line technology and give the rest a miss.
 
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