Do you think Vaccine passports should be needed to get into pubs?

[A]

Because the idea of covid passports is entirely political. I see that that was not your intention but regardless of that the way the government have skirted around this sounding the public out to see if they can get away with it is nothing but political.

People such as yourself, and there are many of them, have made it political. As if there wasn't enough already to call the govt out on. Covid passports wasn't a political idea when in its infancy. When the govt mentioned it though it becomes political, especially when the idea is propagated as such by the paranoid who believe this is the beginning of some sort of half baked Totalitarian state

 

[Randy]

If you are that much in favour of them Artie get yourself on Microsoft Word, make a certificate or i.d. card, print it out and carry it with you at all time. You could even ask your local bar man to ask for your papers before he allows you to enter his establishment.

"Papers please!"

 

[Laughing]

People such as yourself, and there are many of them, have made it political. As if there wasn't enough already to call the govt out on. Covid passports wasn't a political idea when in its infancy. When the govt mentioned it though it becomes political, especially when the idea is propagated as such by the paranoid who believe this is the beginning of some sort of half baked Totalitarian state

thought you had gone to enjoy your Sunday Artie?

It is political and has always been for Johnson and his cabinet. Paranoia has nothing to do with it and I never mentioned a totalitarian state, I specifically called out that the goverrnment want to steal and are using covid to do that.

I do find it dissappointing that some people are so afraid of living that they welcome these steps.

 

[Alvez_48]

Artie isn't afraid @Laughing he's just got sensitive evidence that not even the government has.

Anyone who opposes his view is angry and needs to better their position in life.

 

[A]

thought you had gone to enjoy your Sunday Artie?

It is political and has always been for Johnson and his cabinet. Paranoia has nothing to do with it and I never mentioned a totalitarian state, I specifically called out that the goverrnment want to steal and are using covid to do that.

I do find it dissappointing that some people are so afraid of living that they welcome these steps.

I've finished in the garden thanks, done what I needed to do. You don't need to mention a totalitarian state for it to be clear your paranoia thinks that's where this is heading in your world. Relax, live a little, enjoy the road to freedom. Embrace it, don't be so petrified of the destination that you can't make the journey

 

[Wireburner]

Because the idea of covid passports is entirely political. I see that that was not your intention but regardless of that the way the government have skirted around this sounding the public out to see if they can get away with it is nothing but

 

[Laughing]

I've finished in the garden thanks, done what I needed to do. You don't need to mention a totalitarian state for it to be clear your paranoia thinks that's where this is heading in your world. Relax, live a little, enjoy the road to freedom. Embrace it, don't be so petrified of the destination that you can't make the journey

You couldn't be more wrong Artie, I think it is clear that the government want to milk covid some more and I think my posts make that standpoint clear.

On the subject of paranoia, you have now had both jabs, and that's great. What do you realistically think you're risk is now, assuming you were to catch covid? Do you think you are more or less likely to die, for example of covid or another unrelated incident or disease?

I am not being snide, I think my chances of dying from covid are close to nil and I have only had one jab, I am 56 and in good health.

Ask yourself this Artie, and if you have an answer I would like to hear it. Last summer this same government not only thought it was safe to visit pubs and restaruants but actively encouraged it. At the same time they were actively encouaging us back into offices, by way of cramped public transport, presumeably.

What has changed in 9 months that now means it's unsafe to go to a pub or restaurant without additional safe guards in place? Oh and persuant to Randy's post, we would, again, presumeably, be travelling to large venues on the same mobbed public transport.

 

[Wireburner]

Because the idea of covid passports is entirely political. I see that that was not your intention but regardless of that the way the government have skirted around this sounding the public out to see if they can get away with it is nothing but political.

I live in Scotland at the moment. The locals tend to act similar to you when I ask questions. If they don’t agree they blame the UK gov not the conservatives. I ask them please tell tell me what should Scotland do. They then have to think and sometimes answer my simple question. I guess I will have to wait and see what the trials show as it seems this will happen in some form or other

 

[A]

Artie isn't afraid @Laughing he's just got sensitive evidence that not even the government has.

Anyone who opposes his view is angry and needs to better their position in life.

You really are an insipid, tedious embarrassment of a man aren't you. You missing out on everything life has to offer?

 

[Laughing]

I live in Scotland at the moment. The locals tend to act similar to you when I ask questions. If they don’t agree they blame the UK gov not the conservatives. I ask them please tell tell me what should Scotland do. They then have to think and sometimes answer my simple question. I guess I will have to wait and see what the trials show as it seems this will happen in some form or other

Well there are plans to trial it. I suspect it will be abandoned quit quickly. Good point about the Scottish response. Not sure about that. Could it be that if one party of the uk introduce legislation around covid the others follow.. I really don't know.

 

[A]

You couldn't be more wrong Artie, I think it is clear that the government want to milk covid some more and I think my posts make that standpoint clear.

On the subject of paranoia, you have now had both jabs, and that's great. What do you realistically think you're risk is now, assuming you were to catch covid? Do you think you are more or less likely to die, for example of covid or another unrelated incident or disease?

I am not being snide, I think my chances of dying from covid are close to nil and I have only had one jab, I am 56 and in good health.

Ask yourself this Artie, and if you have an answer I would like to hear it. Last summer this same government not only thought it was safe to visit pubs and restaruants but actively encouraged it. At the same time they were actively encouaging us back into offices, by way of cramped public transport, presumeably.

What has changed in 9 months that now means it's unsafe to go to a pub or restaurant without additional safe guards in place? Oh and persuant to Randy's post, we would, again, presumeably, be travelling to large venues on the same mobbed public transport.

So you think eat out to help out was a good move then?

I'm more likely to not be hospitalised if I get covid now than previously, I'm also less likely to transmit. Was I more worried then than now...only slightly because I'm not at risk. I don't choose to get 2 jabs in the same way that any responsible employer of, for example, a scaffolder instructs them to clip on

Nobody is saying it's not safe to go to a pub, there's just a school of thought that makes an argument for it being even safer for patrons and staff if all were vaccinated or negative

You clearly don't understand the principle of breaking chains of transmission very well

 

[Laughing]

So you think eat out to help out was a good move then?

I'm more likely to not be hospitalised if I get covid now than previously, I'm also less likely to transmit. Was I more worried then than now...only slightly because I'm not at risk. I don't choose to get 2 jabs in the same way that any responsible employer of, for example, a scaffolder instructs them to clip on

Nobody is saying it's not safe to go to a pub, there's just a school of thought that makes an argument for it being even safer for patrons and staff if all were vaccinated or negative

You clearly don't understand the principle of breaking chains of transmission very well

OK Artie, let's leave it there before it gets any more insulting.

 

[Cuthbert]

You couldn't be more wrong Artie, I think it is clear that the government want to milk covid some more and I think my posts make that standpoint clear.

On the subject of paranoia, you have now had both jabs, and that's great. What do you realistically think you're risk is now, assuming you were to catch covid? Do you think you are more or less likely to die, for example of covid or another unrelated incident or disease?

I am not being snide, I think my chances of dying from covid are close to nil and I have only had one jab, I am 56 and in good health.

Ask yourself this Artie, and if you have an answer I would like to hear it. Last summer this same government not only thought it was safe to visit pubs and restaruants but actively encouraged it. At the same time they were actively encouaging us back into offices, by way of cramped public transport, presumeably.

What has changed in 9 months that now means it's unsafe to go to a pub or restaurant without additional safe guards in place? Oh and persuant to Randy's post, we would, again, presumeably, be travelling to large venues on the same mobbed public transport.

Laughing, you appear to be completely convinced that vaccine passports are some sort of government power grab, and a way to control the 'masses'. I doubt you can be convinced otherwise, but explains why you hate the idea so much.

Other folk on here and elsewhere might think that it's simply ONE way to enable larger scale social interaction safely, and are therefore not so against the idea. As a temporary measure, if it facilitates things opening up a bit easier, or more safely, it's probably OK.

 

[Laughing]

Laughing, you appear to be completely convinced that vaccine passports are some sort of government power grab, and a way to control the 'masses'. I doubt you can be convinced otherwise, but explains why you hate the idea so much.

Other folk on here and elsewhere might think that it's simply ONE way to enable larger scale social interaction safely, and are therefore not so against the idea. As a temporary measure, if it facilitates things opening up a bit easier it's probably OK.

Again cuthbert you are wrong, I think its a money grab, nothing more nothing less. Go through my posts and you will see that.

 

[A]

Again cuthbert you are wrong, I think its a money grab, nothing more nothing less. Go through my posts and you will see that.

That's the point mate, you think it is, but that doesn't necessarily make it so. We could both be wrong

 

[Alvez_48]

You really are an insipid, tedious embarrassment of a man aren't you. You missing out on everything life has to offer?

I'm just quoting back to you, what you have said.

If you wish to know more about me just send me an IM I'll happily tell you about me and my life.

Here's a little tiny piece of info for free, you would not speak to me like that in person, though I wouldn't hurt you for it.

 

[Laughing]

That's the point mate, you think it is, but that doesn't necessarily make it so. We could both be wrong

I may be wrong Artie. It may be to keep us all as safe as the government can. I don't believe that for a minute, but I may be wrong. All evidence points to the contrary.

 

[Cuthbert]

Again cuthbert you are wrong, I think its a money grab, nothing more nothing less. Go through my posts and you will see that.

Again - was I wrong before? (No real problem, I just don't recall it).

Anyway, apologies. I've been through pretty much all your posts (in reading this thread), and I (wrongly) thought you were saying that it was political (meaning the government were trying to grab power/control from people). I mistook what you meant in that case. I genuinely didn't get from your posts that it was a financial objection.

No worries either way. You hate the idea, I'm pretty sure that's correct. I think it could be OK as a temporary measure.

 

[A]

I'm just quoting back to you, what you have said.

If you wish to know more about me just send me an IM I'll happily tell you about me and my life.

Here's a little tiny piece of info for free, you would not speak to me like that in person, though I wouldn't hurt you for it

Your making the assumption i care or want to know more about you. I don't. You seem to have an inflated opinion about yourself and my view of you.

I'd happily stand next to you and say exactly what I've said on here, my view is that if you wouldn't say it to the fella next to you in the pub, don't say it here. If you think you're some sort of intimidating character I wouldn't say anything I've said on here to, you're massively mistaken. You'd need to be one very hard chu t for me to shìt my knickers over

 

[Laughing]

Again - was I wrong before? (No real problem, I just don't recall it).

Anyway, apologies. I've been through pretty much all your posts (in reading this thread), and I (wrongly) thought you were saying that it was political (meaning the government were trying to grab power/control from people). I mistook what you meant in that case. I genuinely didn't get from your posts that it was a financial objection.

No worries either way. You hate the idea, I'm pretty sure that's correct. I think it could be OK as a temporary measure.

The again was aimed at another poster who made the same assumption, I wasn't suggesting you were wrong again.

And you are basically right I hate the idea, and I am one of the lucky ones who has been vaccinated. My issue with it being a temporary measure is based around the assumption that the government will extend covid emergency powers again in the summer to keep taking money away from people and organisations who need it to feather their own nests. 37 billion on test and trace versus a broken promise to NHS staff.