Do you think Vaccine passports should be needed to get into pubs?

[Alvez_48]

Those of us a little more cynical may be forgiven for thinking the government want the pandemic to rumble on because there is still some feed at the bottom of the trough they all have their snouts in.

It's worth remembering that it's also keeping Artie employed .

It boggles my mind the amount of waste plastic and materials used for tests and masks etc... Finite resources squandered so hastily.

 

[Alvez_48]

Look, anything that’s gets society closer to normality is good news, we just have to get on with it, we don’t have a choice, actually we do, if you don’t agree with the guidelines, I suppose you can impose restrictions on yourself, that would be the choice.

Hang on you weren't a fan of that when it came to shielding the at risk and letting the young get on with life. You're a disgrace.

We do have a choice, we can simply open up, end. The illusion is that we need to have everything we do monitored to enable it.

 

[the_holgate_roof]

Hang on you weren't a fan of that when it came to shielding the at risk and letting the young get on with life. You're a disgrace.

We do have a choice, we can simply open up, end. The illusion is that we need to have everything we do monitored to enable it.

What are you going on about? We absolutely need to monitor the effects of lockdown easing, this virus hasn’t gone away, opening up regardless is just plain irresponsible but people can argue on here til they’re blue in the face, whatever is decided by the government is what happens, end.

 

[A]

What Randy is saying is a passsport to get into a venue is a waste of time as people will be travelling en-masse to get to the venue in close proximity to others who have not been vaccinated or tested.

It makes a joke of the entire idea, it is not very well thought out and gives limited additional protection.

Those of us a little more cynical may be forgiven for thinking the government want the pandemic to rumble on because there is still some feed at the bottom of the trough they all have their snouts in.

I understand your point guys, I really do, and your point is very valid and needs more examination.

The bit I can't agree on is the notion that it's a snouts in the trough exercise. As much as I think Johnson and his govt is an absolute abomination, that ineptitude is not driven by critical thinking to get us out of this mess. He may use his failings as a vehicle to disguise his errors and endeavour popular favour, but he is only a figurehead; there us no desire within healthcare or wider society at least for this to rumble on I don't think. The bloke is toast and he knows it, but it's down to us to vote him out. Sadly too far away

 

[A]

It's worth remembering that it's also keeping Artie employed .

It boggles my mind the amount of waste plastic and materials used for tests and masks etc... Finite resources squandered so hastily.

That's quite a crass remark even with a winky face as mitigation. Don't be so angry at life, if you don't like your position in it, change it.

 

[Alvez_48]

That's quite a crass remark even with a winky face as mitigation. Don't be so angry at life, if you don't like your position in it, change it.

Artie, it wasn't a crass remark.

I have a very fortunate life and aren't angry. I choose not to 'show off' as others aren't so fortunate, I choose to stick up for those people instead.

 

[A]

Artie, it wasn't a crass remark.

I have a very fortunate life and aren't angry. I choose not to 'show off' as others aren't so fortunate, I choose to stick up for those people instead.

Odd way of showing it. Sorry my role finds the need in you to trivialise it. Enjoy the rest of your fortune and fair play to your philanthropy

 

[Laughing]

I understand your point guys, I really do, and your point is very valid and needs more examination.

The bit I can't agree on is the notion that it's a snouts in the trough exercise. As much as I think Johnson and his govt is an absolute abomination, that ineptitude is not driven by critical thinking to get us out of this mess. He may use his failings as a vehicle to disguise his errors and endeavour popular favour, but he is only a figurehead; there us no desire within healthcare or wider society at least for this to rumble on I don't think. The bloke is toast and he knows it, but it's down to us to vote him out. Sadly too far away

Snouts in troughs, see you and raise you moonshot.

Testing has never been used as a metric in the pandemic. An overwhelmed NHS was all Johnson was concerned about because people dying in corridors wouldn't do his political ambitions any good. See the elderly returned to care homes as a good example. He knew they would die but he needed the beds so he could pretend the NHS is properly funded.

Covid passports are not a gateway to normality they are a wealth generation exercise.

 

[A]

Snouts in troughs, see you and raise you moonshot.

Testing has never been used as a metric in the pandemic. An overwhelmed NHS was all Johnson was concerned about because people dying in corridors wouldn't do his political ambitions any good. See the elderly returned to care homes as a good example. He knew they would die but he needed the beds so he could pretend the NHS is properly funded.

Covid passports are not a gateway to normality they are a wealth generation exercise.

OK, can you explain how an already existing NHS app which displays your vaccinations and is the very likely format of the covid passport we speak of is a Johnson generated money spinner?

The bloke's an idiot, that we can agree on, but let's take him to account on the real issues and not subdivert

Edit: testing was and is used as a metric, to state otherwise is simply false

 

[Laughing]

OK, can you explain how an already existing NHS app which displays your vaccinations and is the very likely format of the covid passport we speak of is a Johnson generated money spinner?

The bloke's an idiot, that we can agree on, but let's take him to account on the real issues and not subdivert

Edit: testing was and is used as a metric, to state otherwise is simply false

Firstly on testing, in the tier system why were Labour areas more restricted than Conservative areas with similar metrics? Why when sage suggested lockdowns on three occasions did Johnson ignore that advice and wait until the NHS was being overwhelmed? Why did Johnson return the elderly to care homes without testing?

Testing is a white elephant to generate wealth. It has not been used for a single government decision of any note, more accurately the infection rates has been ignored in making decisions.

Now on to how Johnson can use covid passports for stealing or money. The app will require an update at some exorbitant cost, more testing, keeping people artificially afraid so that emergency covid legislation can be extended. This is just 3 ways.

Artie, if you genuinely believe that this idiotic, possible legislation is to do with our safety then good on you. I prefer to judge on the available evidence and that strongly suggests that Johnson doesn't care whether you live or die.

 

[Chris_Boro]

Look, anything that’s gets society closer to normality is good news, we just have to get on with it, we don’t have a choice, actually we do, if you don’t agree with the guidelines, I suppose you can impose restrictions on yourself, that would be the choice.

This does nothing to get us back to normality, it makes no logical sense in regards to preventing the virus spreading and creates more problems for hospitality in physically enforcing it.

This is from someone who's being shielding the majority of a year and already had a vaccination.

 

[A]

Firstly on testing, in the tier system why were Labour areas more restricted than Conservative areas with similar metrics? Why when sage suggested lockdowns on three occasions did Johnson ignore that advice and wait until the NHS was being overwhelmed? Why did Johnson return the elderly to care homes without testing?

Testing is a white elephant to generate wealth. It has not been used for a single government decision of any note, more accurately the infection rates has been ignored in making decisions.

Now on to how Johnson can use covid passports for stealing or money. The app will require an update at some exorbitant cost, more testing, keeping people artificially afraid so that emergency covid legislation can be extended. This is just 3 ways.

Artie, if you genuinely believe that this idiotic, possible legislation is to do with our safety then good on you. I prefer to judge on the available evidence and that strongly suggests that Johnson doesn't care whether you live or die.

Sorry laughing, I can't spend my Sunday on this, we'll never agree on this and I respect your view, I just can't agree based on the evidence I look at

But my final point is that the NHS (not the covid one) app requires no update, I can already see my 2 vaccinations there, it's simply not a wealth generation exercise mate. Below is all you will need:

 

[mitch_at_merseyside]

We were told, time and time again, vaccines were the game-changer and would lead to a return to normality.

These vaccine passports are the polar opposite. I am sick to death of this fearmongering over a virus notwithstanding a high survival rate for the mass majority of the population and vaccines that offer almost full immunity for the most vulnerable society. The sooner people apprehend we can never have zero transmissibility, zero cases and zero deaths from this virus, the better.

In my final few months in China, I had to use a QR code everywhere I went. Bars, restaurants, public transport, even my local shop downstairs, people would have laughed in your face at the mere suggestion something comparable would ever be introduced in a country like ours. And yet here we are, pontificating about it, and some people even encouraging such a thing which could kill off the hospitality sector.

Think about the logistics too. What about when there is the inevitable 'new variant'? Do all existing vaccine passports become null, and then you have to wait for the tweaked vaccine booster, once against shutting down parts of our economy again?

I hope there is sufficient cross-party support to kill off this idea. For a time, I was depressed the likes of Steve Baker and Peter Hitchens were the only ones speaking sense.

 

[Wireburner]

Not quite wire burner, though that is part of it. I am more disappointed with people who think we should hand over control to a government who's only ambition is to steal from the public purse. They are not trustworthy with our wellbeing. Why would anyone believe that Johnson and his cabinet are making decisions in our best interest.

Why make a political point about an non-political question

 

[Archiestephens_elbow]

We were told, time and time again, vaccines were the game-changer and would lead to a return to normality.

These vaccine passports are the polar opposite. I am sick to death of this fearmongering over a virus notwithstanding a high survival rate for the mass majority of the population and vaccines that offer almost full immunity for the most vulnerable society. The sooner people apprehend we can never have zero transmissibility, zero cases and zero deaths from this virus, the better.

In my final few months in China, I had to use a QR code everywhere I went. Bars, restaurants, public transport, even my local shop downstairs, people would have laughed in your face at the mere suggestion something comparable would ever be introduced in a country like ours. And yet here we are, pontificating about it, and some people even encouraging such a thing which could kill off the hospitality sector.

Think about the logistics too. What about when there is the inevitable 'new variant'? Do all existing vaccine passports become null, and then you have to wait for the tweaked vaccine booster, once against shutting down parts of our economy again?

I hope there is sufficient cross-party support to kill off this idea. For a time, I was depressed the likes of Steve Baker and Peter Hitchens were the only ones speaking sense.

Did you get out of China OK?

 

[Archiestephens_elbow]

Sorry laughing, I can't spend my Sunday on this, we'll never agree on this and I respect your view, I just can't agree based on the evidence I look at

But my final point is that the NHS (not the covid one) app requires no update, I can already see my 2 vaccinations there, it's simply not a wealth generation exercise mate. Below is all you will need:

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Mate, only you and your doctor should know your medical history, not people who work in shops, pubs or the Riverside stadium

 

[mitch_at_merseyside]

Just about

Did you get out of China OK?

Just about!

 

[Laughing]

Why make a political point about an non-political question

Because the idea of covid passports is entirely political. I see that that was not your intention but regardless of that the way the government have skirted around this sounding the public out to see if they can get away with it is nothing but political.

 

[Randy]

Looks like you won't need them to visit the cinema either.

 

[A]

Mate, only you and your doctor should know your medical history, not people who work in shops, pubs or the Riverside stadium

It's not your medical history though is it!? it's whether you been vaccinated or not, same as if you'd have a malaria job or not for certain travel

Look at my screenshot, can you see my entire medical history?