Ian Bairds Ears
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Do you belive in god/ a god
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Laughing
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Yes light can't escape from a singularity as we know it, nor could it at the point of a big bang, nor for some time afterwards. There is a big caveat about this though and that is that space/time doesn't have the same limitations put on it as, for example light. The universe has expanded much much quicker than the speed of light. However, if the Big Bang happened as it is theorized, we are missing a massive part of the puzzle. Where is the light from the first 100,000 years. We have to bare in mind that on a cosmological scale 100,000 years is a blink of an eye, but we would still expect to see it, and we don't.
It's one of the reasons why the big bang is being questioned, among other problems. You have to also consider that the big bang theory has been around a while and the problems still exist, despite trying to reconcile those problems.
I don't know, but suspect that the big bang theory will either be heavily modified or abandoned all together. Prolly not in my lifetime though, we have stuck with it for so long because running time backwards leads to that obvious conclusion.
Centralscrutinizer
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Maybe we're god and just don't realise it yet. The fact is we're a part of the universe that's developed to have intelligence and so view itself 
There are a few things, some already covered, that are conclusive to me. The only remaining uncertainty is how it all started.
1. God did not create humans. There is more than enough evidence that we evolved for us to be certain that we weren't created. I don't think there is anything more arrogant than the view that you are special enough that a being capable of creating an entire universe would do so for you.
2. There's no such thing as magic or miracles so Jesus, if such a person existed, was definitely not the son of God.
3. Religion is man made. Mostly with good intentions but it is horribly exploitative in the wrong hands.
4. If God did exist then there is clearly no omnipotence, omniscience etc. God isn't even capable of getting everyone to believe he exists. Horrible stuff happens all the time and there is no fairness anyway. If he exists then he's evil or incompetent.
5. The inability to explain the origin of the universe so it must have been God logically means that God couldn't have existed before the universe because God would also have to be created ad infinitum. If there were conditions to create a God that could create a universe then there were conditions that could create a universe without a supernatural middleman.
6. I'm not well versed enough in physics to understand how much we as a species know about the origin of the universe so I won't pretend. I am big enough to admit there are some things I/we don't know without inserting a belief system that doesn't come close to explaining it.
To summarise, the only thing that could have been done by God is the very beginning. He/she/it are not involved in anything that currently happens on Earth or space. There is no heaven/hell. Believing or not wouldn't change anything. If the religious texts are too be taken as factual then most practicing followers wouldn't be able to meet the standards required of them anyway.
Edit: I forgot to say. I don't have a problem with anyone that does believe as long as it doesn't severely impact others. I was married in a church and my kids are christened because my wife is religious. I dislike religion as a concept but it doesn't mean I'm actively trying to eradicate it. Similar to how I don't believe we should have a hereditary monarchy but I'm happy to continue living within the system while it exists.
1. God did not create humans. There is more than enough evidence that we evolved for us to be certain that we weren't created. I don't think there is anything more arrogant than the view that you are special enough that a being capable of creating an entire universe would do so for you.
2. There's no such thing as magic or miracles so Jesus, if such a person existed, was definitely not the son of God.
3. Religion is man made. Mostly with good intentions but it is horribly exploitative in the wrong hands.
4. If God did exist then there is clearly no omnipotence, omniscience etc. God isn't even capable of getting everyone to believe he exists. Horrible stuff happens all the time and there is no fairness anyway. If he exists then he's evil or incompetent.
5. The inability to explain the origin of the universe so it must have been God logically means that God couldn't have existed before the universe because God would also have to be created ad infinitum. If there were conditions to create a God that could create a universe then there were conditions that could create a universe without a supernatural middleman.
6. I'm not well versed enough in physics to understand how much we as a species know about the origin of the universe so I won't pretend. I am big enough to admit there are some things I/we don't know without inserting a belief system that doesn't come close to explaining it.
To summarise, the only thing that could have been done by God is the very beginning. He/she/it are not involved in anything that currently happens on Earth or space. There is no heaven/hell. Believing or not wouldn't change anything. If the religious texts are too be taken as factual then most practicing followers wouldn't be able to meet the standards required of them anyway.
Edit: I forgot to say. I don't have a problem with anyone that does believe as long as it doesn't severely impact others. I was married in a church and my kids are christened because my wife is religious. I dislike religion as a concept but it doesn't mean I'm actively trying to eradicate it. Similar to how I don't believe we should have a hereditary monarchy but I'm happy to continue living within the system while it exists.
BoroMart
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there are theories of inflation on how this is possible.
well that's an unanswered question and maybe the JWST can help with this as it can look further int the past than we have been able to and using different instrumentation and practices to do so, giving a better set of data for the early universe....but my guess is even after the early big bang, light couldn't escape, because in spite of no longer being a singularity, the concentration of all matter in the universe was so close, that gravitational forces still stopped light escaping. Maybe we will find out one day, but trying to understand what happened at that time, without any observational evidence is firmly in the realms of theoretical physics which means the answer is some complex maths that I couldn't understand.
It's got gaps true, but it has evidence such as the CMB that support it. It's a working theory that seems pretty strong still, I don't see it being abandoned, to abandon it would require finding alternative explanations to observable truths like why can we see the CMB or why is all matter accelerating away from a point in space-time.
The vast majority of astrophysicists seem to support the BBT still, as a high level theory. They might differ on some of the intricacies, and some of those might be significant, but as a theorem it's still hugely supported.
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Boro Devonport
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Your mind is Gods mind. You don’t even know it……
Excellent thread. I do. I actually never used to but my life changed upside down two years ago. I always thought I was a good person but I wasn’t. I had two affairs and destroyed my loving family. I was suicidal at one point as the guilt suddenly hit me like a tsunami. I only got comfort when I imagined hanging from a noose. We all can make a mistake and it impacted me terribly. Then, I received incredible insights that changed my life. I happened upon Neville Goddard as his interpretation of the bible/holy books.
His videos are on the brilliant Brian Scott YouTube channel. In essence, he says this. God/spiritual/universe, however you want to call it, is your imagination. That our imagination creates reality. Your imagination is God, but humans unfortunately stuck, act from a human ego, instead of living by the LAW. The law is pure love, gratitude, forgiveness.
It’s hard at first to change the mindset. The key is feeling it in. Neville Goddards 30 minute lecture “Feeling is the secret” completely changed my life. I’m not going into specifics as I’ll be here all day but I saw daily mini miracles, that I’m like “wooaaah”.
I stuck, and stick by being God, the mind of God. Made in the likeness, so the mind is also the likeness. Neville goes on to see we are all capable of being Jesus. Jesus, in essence was a loving beings avatar. The death/rebirth is all our story. The bible is not Jesus, outside of us, be within us, our journey.
It fits with my experience. I was on my knees but refused to die, but love and change my soul. Now I’m rewarded “ask and you shall recieve”.
If I do say anything negative about anyone, or think it I immediately regret it, review it and feel the love in. The impact in two years? I gave my wife everything I had to help her build a new life. I had nothing. Two years later? I have a new home, dream car, lots of different income streams and a family member who sends me gold/silver.
I get a parking ticket for £120 in Exeter on Friday and win £120 on the lottery the next day. These mini miracles happen daily to me.
In conclusion, with studying Neville Goddard and being pure love, and reflecting on bad words:thoughts and regretting I’ve got Gods armour and support.
The way it works? Your imagination is reality. For example if you lust after another’s wife. If you wish harm on another. It has been done within the LAW. It’s that simple, your imagination is GOD. When you have Christ consciousness, and not ego consciousness and thought you are lifted into riches and bliss. That is where my life is now.
So, everything that happens in holy books, pain, death, famine etc etc, is humans chosing ego imagination and not God imagination. Humans look for a God outside of themselves, like most here. However, you have Gods consciousness in you and in your heart. If today, every human chose to become the avatar Jesus/Buddha etc etc. had those thoughts? Have that love? We would stop looking from outside of ourselves and understand God is within.
I have seen the miracles daily. I’ve laughed when money comes to me in places it had no right too. I thanked the God within when I received the car I always wanted.
You are all Gods consciousness. Your mind is a power source.
P..S please forgive typos. I have fat fingers and typing on a mobile phone
Laughing
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Good post Nano, not sure I agree with all of it.
1, You are right, we evolved. There has been a move in the scientific community for the theory of evolution to be changed to a law of evolution. However, humans could have been the end goal, or maybe we are just a passing species. In either case it doesn't prohibit life being intelligently designed to evolve.
2. Any science sufficiently advanced would be indistinguishable from magic - A C Clarke I believe
3. Good intentions? Really? OK, Maybe, but probably not. Given religion is so common across the world and has appeared in isolated tribes, there is probably an evolutionary drive for religion, albeit we don't know what it is.
4. Omnipotent and Omniscience are mutually exclusive. As I mentioned earlier, god may just be disinterested.
5. For the universe to have had a start, with everything we know today, it couldn't happen without some kind of powerful being. The cosmos restrict the creation and destruction of energy for example.
6. Nothing
interesting thoughts though. Anyone who is not religious will naturally scorn religion. It's not difficult to pick holes in any religious text.
Laughing
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To your first point, I think inflation is pretty well understood now, the fabric of space/time is not subject to relativity. Probably as simple as that.
To your second point, maybe. It would be interesting to see what the telescope see's thats for sure. I don't think it will extend the observable universe though as that tends to relate to what we can see and discludes dark energy, rather than a better pair of specs extending the observable universe.
On your third point, I agree most physicists still think the big bang is the most reasonable theory we have. The move away has been quite recent and has been gathering pace. As with most of science, our ancestors may look back with a tolerant smile on many of our theories. Hah gravity, aww bless.
BoroMart
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I believe its a mixture of the human method of associating their patterns of behaviour to natural world phenomena. I.e. people from ancient times cowering on their knees when the sun disappears in the middle of the day and all turns black. They didn't know what was going on were frightened, dropped to their knees and wailed and shouted for the sun to come back. 4 years later there is another eclipse, so they do the same again, tell all to drop to their knees and beg for the sun to come back. And thus the first religions were born. It's an evolution from this kind of behaviour, to drop to your knees and beg (or pray if you like, same thing) an imaginary friend to make it a good harvest. Then to make you wealthy, or your grans cancer to disappear.
or non existent. But if they exist and are disinterested, then this galaxy can't have been for us
That's a postulation, an assertion but not one that holds much weight. Particularly when we start to understand that early universe can't have had physics that we don't recognise or fully understand today
It's really easy, and considering the hundreds of years they have had, we can pretty much discard the majority of what is written in scriptures, of all flavours, as mumbo-jumbo. That doesn't of course in itself mean there is no god, but I'd heavily lean on that side to the point of nearly absolute.
BoroMart
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dark energy just a label for something we don't understand at all right now, as it stands dark energy is the same as 'god did it'. It could be related to dark matter, another name for something we don't really understand or it could be another force that we don't understand. I'm interested to see where this goes in my lifetime, but don't expect it to be answered
Of course big bang theory could be wrong, and of course there are those who don't agree with it, but you never get 100% consensus and not all alternative 'theories' are worth consideration. It still holds strong as of today, and has some observable evidence, as well as some unanswered questions. But it's far from a scrapheap theory as of today. What tomorrow brings, well...
But like I said JWST could be a game changer, well it will be, we're just not sure in what aspect of astrophysics it will change the game.Same_as_before
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I do not understand why atheists get so wound up about me believing in a God. I am not asking them to join me.
It's the same with fanatical Vegans, it's fine get on with your life, just don't tell me I am wrong not to be.
I know it's impossible to prove there is a God, that's fine, there are many many things we cannot prove.
This idea it is a method to control the masses, not in China it isn't.
It's the same with fanatical Vegans, it's fine get on with your life, just don't tell me I am wrong not to be.
I know it's impossible to prove there is a God, that's fine, there are many many things we cannot prove.
This idea it is a method to control the masses, not in China it isn't.
Centralscrutinizer
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Going back to my computer simulation idea. The big bang would be explained by the initial loading/startup of the software model of the universe. It's all starting to make sense 
BaronSmoggie
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LOL
Same_as_before
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A brave lad on an message board takes Christ's name in vain and offends a lot of decent people. I do so much admire this sort of bravery. Probably the lad who ran away from the Derby fans outside the ground.
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I think you've got it the wrong way round. Religious people have spent centuries converting people, a lot of it through force/violence. There have been wars fought in the name of religion. we still have terrorists committing heinous acts in the name of religion. Draconian laws are sill being fought over in the name of religion, even in this country women in Northern Ireland couldn't legally have an abortion until recently. Religious people preach. I've never had an atheist knock on my door to get me to sign up to atheism. There are no atheists gatekeeping which schools my children can attend depending on their regular attendance at a club on a sunday.
China don't need religion because the controlling government already runs a tight ship. They have had religion in the past though.Most of it coming from existing religions that are still practiced outside of China. You can see lots of similarities in their culture because of it,.
Religion wouldn't be a problem if it kept itself to itself. It doesn't though. There are outdated beliefs that are being clung to that we realise as a society that we should move away from but religion gets a free pass. Things like the way women are treated in some religions, the way animals are slaughtered etc.
Same_as_before
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China don't need religion because the controlling government already runs a tight ship.
Did you really say that.
Did you really say that.
Same_as_before
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You could say the same things about non religious politics, nationalism. Mao killed 100's of millions, Stalin too, Hitler at least 50m, Pol Pot similar, none had anything to do with religion and that's just the recent past.
I am not even pro religion, I was asked if I believed in a God and my answer is yes.
For every disgusting Priest there is a Jack the Ripper, Mark Page, Jimmy Saville the only thing they have in common is that they wear socks and shoes. Does that mean all men who wear them are evil?