Dean Windass to sue football authorities

That was my point really, how can we tweak the rules (and those are two great ideas) to encourage the game to change, rather than just state no headers from u12 upwards, because as you say, kids attempt flying kicks which is dangerous in an entirely different way.
I would probably allow heading in the box or something as well to be honest. It would minimise the amount of times the ball is headed without eradicating it completely.
That way crosses, corners, set pieces could still be scored from without raising feet. That's a vital part of the game in my opinion.

Surely heading crosses once or twice a game is much less of a risk than the same players heading the ball that has been lumped 40ft in the air by a keeper over and over again.

This would be a way of keeping heading as part of the game, which it should be in my opinion, but dramatically decreasing the frequency. Kids would still be getting some exposure to the skill
 
As crass as it may sound, but given the above I feel I can say this, I don’t recall any player complaining about playing football and earning their money at the time, so how is it fair to retrospectively sue football authorities or anyone else for something that wasn’t proven or known about or that we hadn’t the science to prove at the time? I simply don’t see how that works, different had the effects of repeatedly banging your head against something been known about and scientifically proven. I don’t understand retrofitting in such circumstances. Football is learning as the science is proven re head injuries as are other sports with head contacts and rules will be adjusted no doubt to try to avoid these things going forward and to help make it safer / try to eradicate dangers. It’s all football can do.

Thats why you go and seek advice from a specialist legal team.


Go ask The Miners, The Construction workers, Those from The Steel Works....etc etc etc all have successful retrospective medical legal claims.
 
It's not necessarily just the impact of heading the ball during a game, so it doesn't mean the game has to fundamentally change. I saw an interview I think with Geoff Hurst, who spoke about the repetitive drills they used to do that involved heading the ball in training at West Ham in the 60s, imagine they carried forward into the 70s, 80s and 90s. The greater use of sports science in training in the last 20 years has perhaps reduced this.
 
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It's not necessarily just the impact of heading the ball during a game, so it doesn't mean the game has to fundamentally change. I saw an interview I think with Geoff Hurst, who spoke about the repetitive drills they used to do that involved heading the ball in training at West Ham in the 60s, imagine they carried forward into the 70s, 80s and 90s. The greater use of sports science in training in the last 20 years has perhaps reduced this.
Even as a kid in the 90s we used the head the ball a lot in training from the age of 6. Lots of heading drills.

No grass roots teams should be doing that under the age of 12 now and then there's guidelines on limits.
 
Thats why you go and seek advice from a specialist legal team.


Go ask The Miners, The Construction workers, Those from The Steel Works....etc etc etc all have successful retrospective medical legal claims.
Yeah, I get that. I just don’t think it is necessarily right. If the working conditions are known at the time of working to be detrimental to health and that has been kept from the workers then I get it. If the working conditions are not known to be detrimental to health at the time of working due to lack of evidence to show it is unsafe then I don’t get it. I don’t see how a company or industry can be held responsible for something that wasn’t known about at the time. There is a difference in my opinion. Not saying I’m right.
 
Yeah, I get that. I just don’t think it is necessarily right. If the working conditions are known at the time of working to be detrimental to health and that has been kept from the workers then I get it. If the working conditions are not known to be detrimental to health at the time of working due to lack of evidence to show it is unsafe then I don’t get it. I don’t see how a company or industry can be held responsible for something that wasn’t known about at the time. There is a difference in my opinion. Not saying I’m right.
I think the main issue will be around who is responsible.
Industrial claims are generally a bit more straight forward. There's often an obvious offender. There are also recognised industrial diseases which this isn't.

Who do you pinpoint this on? There's no way of identifying when the damage has occurred. Did it occur as a child before he was even attached with a professional club? Windass played for 13 clubs all with different training regimes etc. Who do you attribute the blame?

I guess this could be a case that sets a precedent for future cases
 
Who do you pinpoint this on? There's no way of identifying when the damage has occurred. Did it occur as a child before he was even attached with a professional club? Windass played for 13 clubs all with different training regimes etc. Who do you attribute the blame?

I guess this could be a case that sets a precedent for future cases
They’re well down the road with this in America with the NFL. It’s the authorities in charge of the game who are held responsible if they are found to be aware of the issues without taking appropriate action, not an individual club.
 
They’re well down the road with this in America with the NFL. It’s the authorities in charge of the game who are held responsible if they are found to be aware of the issues without taking appropriate action, not an individual club.
So would it be FIFA, UEFA or the FA?
NFL is a bit more straight forward in that respect.
 
Bill Gates Biography reveals in its forward by Dr Judith Gates Ex-professional footballers are 5x as likely as the general population to develop dementia.
But on autopsy CTE has been found in the brains of young as well as old, women as well as men and those that headed the ball but never professionally.
Launch of No-Brainer this evening - 6.30pm Ferryhill Working Men's Club with a discussion and film and info from Head Safe Football about Bill Gates, CTE, dementia and football. There are former Boro players anongst the guest list as well as No-Brainer author and Northern League stalwart Mike Amos
 
If any of you are available next week there is a launch of No-Brainer the biography of Bill Gates at Ferryhill Working Men's Club at 6.30pm on Tuesday 7th May. There will be a film all about CTE and the work Dr Judith Gates charity Head Safe Football is doing in education, research, support and campaigning.
Bill was from Ferryhill. He was Britain's first £50 a week footballer at 17. He made 333 appearance for Boro but began to suffer from terrible migraines after constant head tennis training sessions. He got out before he was 30 and invested in sports shops at just the right time. No coincidence as he had researched it meticulously as well as training as an accountant,
But all his millions from selling his shop Empire could buy him paradise but not an escape from dementia. He and his wife Dr Judith Gates decided to dedicate themselves to tackling dementia in football.
Tragically Bill died in a care home near Teesside Airport but his wife carries on with the cause. All royalties from the book go to Head Safe Football, the charity that is Bill's legacy.


What happened to the film about him Rob?
 
A question I often ponder. If you know heading a ball leads to an increased risk of dementia, and the evidence suggests it does, would it be wrong to subject your child to it.

Similar thoughts with things like processed foods- we know long term they are not great- but I love a Turkey dinosaur. What level of risk is acceptable in business/ industry and society. Who is responsible for managing the risk day to day?

The evidence for banning heading is there now. Equally, the evidence for stopping people boxing is fairly sound. Do you change the game or let people take the risk?
 
A question I often ponder. If you know heading a ball leads to an increased risk of dementia, and the evidence suggests it does, would it be wrong to subject your child to it.

Similar thoughts with things like processed foods- we know long term they are not great- but I love a Turkey dinosaur. What level of risk is acceptable in business/ industry and society. Who is responsible for managing the risk day to day?

The evidence for banning heading is there now. Equally, the evidence for stopping people boxing is fairly sound. Do you change the game or let people take the risk?
The thing is the evidence is there for professional footballers but like Rob said above, social players which makes up over 99.9% of football players don't seem to be at significant risk.

Also the evidence, I believe, is based on players playing 30+ years ago. What difference does playing with a lighter ball make? Quantity if heading has reduced significantly in that time as well due to the style that football is played now.

The problem is we won't know if or how much this will affect the results.

I think it's a bit much to totally outlaw heading. I'm all for looking at ways we reduce it in training and in the kids game though.
 
The thing is the evidence is there for professional footballers but like Rob said above, social players which makes up over 99.9% of football players don't seem to be at significant risk.

Also the evidence, I believe, is based on players playing 30+ years ago. What difference does playing with a lighter ball make? Quantity if heading has reduced significantly in that time as well due to the style that football is played now.

The problem is we won't know if or how much this will affect the results.

I think it's a bit much to totally outlaw heading. I'm all for looking at ways we reduce it in training and in the kids game though.

I don't disagree, the research is quite specific. We shouldn't panic, and things do change. But as an overarching governing body how long do you risk liability/ future dementia waiting for data in 10/ 20 years time. I'm not sure there is evidence either way in the less professional population, happy to be corrected though.

I don't have the answers, I love a bit of nuance and it does lead to conflict in my own thoughts. We don't want to change the game, but the liability if it proves any heading leaves us vulnerable is significant.

A lawsuit will change the game far faster than anything else in the long-term I expect.
 
It was a really good event last night at Ferryhill Working Men's Club - packed out actually, barely a free chair in the room. I shared a table with a former Boro junior and local league player who like me is getting slower and slower in parkruns and the daughter of former Nottingham Forest and Brian Clough trainer Jimmy Gordon who himself died from dementia.
Dave Parnaby, Tony McAndrew, Eddie Kyle and Gary Pallister were all in the audience as were some of the staff of Spennymoor Town who recently carried out an experimental match limiting heading.
Both the launch and the book itself will be instrumental in education and messaging. Myth busting also, CTE and dementia is not a disease from the old leather ball. The speed of the modern game makes a modern football every bit as lethal.
Heading drills in training are a thing of the very distant past, not according to Gordon McQueen or Alan Shearer. And this is a timebomb afterall. Like asbestosis that eventually claimed my uncle, CTE afflicts the ex player 20 or 30 years afterwards.
Do other contact sports have similar outcomes? CTE is the scientific name for what was referred to as being punch drunk with boxers from the 1920s. In rugby Judith Gates says she has been helping former players getting early onset dementia in their 40s.
There were some great questions from the audience. One grandad recounting how his 4 year old grandson had just embarked on his football journey in Trimdon and how it was such a great footballing community and the grandson could grow up in this nurturing environment. He didn't want to stop him, yet he was concerned what could he do?
Judith said they now look at the charity as potentially saving one player and one family at a time. Don't take your kids and grandsons into the garden playing head tennis.
Mike Amos revealed there is real momentum now for reducing and eradicating heading in training for young footballers.
Judith Gates said that in 40 years time people would look back and be shocked we allowed footballers to be exposed to these risks. The FA were asked many times but would not comment on No-Brainer book. It is clear they are burying their heads in the sand, terrified regarding litigation. And surely it is only a matter of time before that really hits them like a tidal wave.
How much better Judith says for the FA and the other silent partner PFA to embrace this now as an industrial injury and work to make football the safest contact sport in the world.
We were meeting at Bill's birthplace Ferryhill on the 50th anniversary of the Match of Champions, Middlesbrough 4-4 Leeds United, Bill Gates Testimonial. People have often said how lucky Bill was to have had that near sell out crowd to send him out in to the world with a major financial send off. Not so sure about that when Evening Gazette reporter, Craig Johns pointed out how many of the players taking part have succumbed to dementia,. The two managers also died from neurological disease.
At the match, Bill had headed his final ball for Boro, a day shy of his 30th birthday. He had complained of crippling migraines and decided he really needed to stop playing. Five decades on and he had died, unable to speak and unable to remember that game or any other game. His death had come after an often traumatic battle, CTE is an unstoppable but deeply disturbing decline. At time Bill had pleaded with family to get him tablets or a gun to release him from his torment. Let's not let his premature death be in vain.

 
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The solution is fairly clear - remove heading from the game. What is less clear is how we move from here to there.
 
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