DAZN to break 3pm watershed in EFL

I think they'll get rid of the blackout anyway, whatever happens with the rights.

The clubs will be well aware that plenty are watching the matches via VPN, and they'll also be aware that many will be watching through dodgy streams instead.

Making the games easier to view might streamline the process and also discourage a few people from watching illegally when they can watch a stable and legitimate stream.

Plenty will still just refuse to pay and stick to dodgy sources, of course, but that would the the case whatever happens.
 
I honestly can't remember the last time I watched an EFL game that didn't involve Boro. Got absolutely no interest in it whatsoever. Maybe apart from the play offs
 
The figures quoted work out at £71,000 per game if all League team received the same.

At Boro that is not worth it as we would lose that in ticket revenue say if all ticket prices were reduced by 15%.

For Boro I would say £150,000 per game makes it worthwhile, with match ticket prices cut by 15% to maintain crowds. It coukd work if lower league teams say took say £40,000 per game for Division 1 and £20,000 per game for division 2

What do Sky currently pay a club as a match televised fee?
 
JM14 said:
That’s what I meant, I expect 95% of people who want to watch 3pm kick offs are watching online anyway. They might as well just get rid of the rules and let them be shown on tv, let the league cash in and it would give the pubs a huge boost as well no doubt
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So long as the likes of Sky stop charging pubs stupid amounts of money to broadcast.
 
TeaCider said:
I think they'll get rid of the blackout anyway, whatever happens with the rights.

The clubs will be well aware that plenty are watching the matches via VPN, and they'll also be aware that many will be watching through dodgy streams instead.

Making the games easier to view might streamline the process and also discourage a few people from watching illegally when they can watch a stable and legitimate stream.

Plenty will still just refuse to pay and stick to dodgy sources, of course, but that would the the case whatever happens.
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IC - My guess is a lot of those buying on dodgy Internet channels and dodgy boxes now will not pay say £10 a match to watch legally.

The bulk of new legal sales for the EFL games will be say season ticket holders types i.e very keen fans watching their team play away.
 
I’ve got mixed feelings on this. I’d hate this to be the beginning of the end for big crowds at games, or change the culture of what it is to watch your team.

That said it would make my life easier logistically to have the option.

My main concern would be that we’d never see the financial benefit trickle down to cheaper tickets, just more money on wages, transfer fees and agents.
 
Air Resistance said:
I’ve got mixed feelings on this. I’d hate this to be the beginning of the end for big crowds at games, or change the culture of what it is to watch your team.

That said it would make my life easier logistically to have the option.

My main concern would be that we’d never see the financial benefit trickle down to cheaper tickets, just more money on wages, transfer fees and agents.
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I think it’s more that attendances would theoretically go down and they’d need to offset what’s lost from that.

Personally I’ve always thought it’s silly that my mate in Norway can watch every match but I have to travel to Bournemouth to see us play there, with all that expense, when sometimes it isn’t convenient anyway.

Stick em all on telly, when teams are doing well the stadium’s will still be packed.
 
Jan_Aage_Fjortoft said:
I think it's a very dangerous idea getting into bed with DAZN. They've handed back rights in a few countries for football and I wouldn't trust that they'd pay the full terms of the contract. Could easily lead to another ITV Digital situation for the EFL.

Not sure I'd say they were breaking the 3pm rule though as the only way they'd show games at that time in this country is if its amended which it looks as though the EFL will press for it to be removed.
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if that rule was removed I think sky would be all over it anyways and offer more than they would, would give them the prospect of having club related subs or everyone taking on sky sports to get every match.

plus it would be something they would want to push with the end goal being that they can eventually do the same for the premier league too
 
atypical_boro said:
I think it’s more that attendances would theoretically go down and they’d need to offset what’s lost from that.

Personally I’ve always thought it’s silly that my mate in Norway can watch every match but I have to travel to Bournemouth to see us play there, with all that expense, when sometimes it isn’t convenient anyway.

Stick em all on telly, when teams are doing well the stadium’s will still be packed.
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people can already watch at home with iptv, so dont think it would dent tickets as much as people think, at least 75% of the drop off is already baked into todays numbers I think
 
muniz said:
people can already watch at home with iptv, so dont think it would dent tickets as much as people think, at least 75% of the drop off is already baked into todays numbers I think
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Hmm not sure. I do have the means to watch all games now, but then I tell other people about it (usually less fanatical than me) they are often like “that sounds like a right clart on”.

If they could access it via an official DAZN app or whatever for a £10 a pop (and not do it every week but once or twice a month) they’d probably be more interested even if it cost them a bit more.
 
atypical_boro said:
Hmm not sure. I do have the means to watch all games now, but then I tell other people about it (usually less fanatical than me) they are often like “that sounds like a right clart on”.

If they could access it via an official DAZN app or whatever for a £10 a pop (and not do it every week but once or twice a month) they’d probably be more interested even if it cost them a bit more.
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I know plenty of people who can use the app on the firestick or android tv box or what ever they watch it on and its pretty simple for them.

but if they would use iptv or pay a per match pass on another service I think the people that wouldnt goto the match, probably most of them are not going to the matches right now. I think a good portion are those who are using iptv already. that might be because they have been priced out of going these days, its mostly walk ups I think that are more likley for this type of system to affect the ticket sales, less important match maybe they stay at home instead, but do think plenty of people know how to watch at home these days already for it to be a big drop off on the current attendances on the walk ups. I know alot of people who dont goto games and watch the streams, but before this was common place most of these people are not match day attendee's in the first place apart from select times
 
Every match has been available, especially for PL footy, since we were in the PL in the 00s. I have been able to stream dodgy feeds since about 2005. The people that want to watch a stream instead of going to the matches are already doing it. I don't think televising every game will dent attendances much but it will make being able to follow your team when you can't make it far easier. I'd guess most people that stream will still attend matches when they can and the streaming will cover when they can't attend. I know I go whenever I can despite already being able to stream every match and I won't be the only one.

People are also kidding themselves if they think they can operate it on a PPV model. I know a few people will do that through iFollow but most people won't entertain the idea. Remember when all PL games were broadcast during lockdown and they tried to change to a PPV model. There was a huge backlash. A monthly subscription is far more palatable for people so they can't use the current iFollow user numbers as any sort of indicator, people would be far more open to a monthly/annual subscription. Volume usually wins. E.g. I would subscribe to something which then rolls on month after month. i might miss most of the matches for whatever reason but it's still a single decision. Deciding week to week is having a decision to make every week and often if I am not available I wouldn't be purchasing. They understand that locking subscribers in keeps money coming in more likely than PPV does.
 
Nano said:
Every match has been available, especially for PL footy, since we were in the PL in the 00s. I have been able to stream dodgy feeds since about 2005. The people that want to watch a stream instead of going to the matches are already doing it. I don't think televising every game will dent attendances much but it will make being able to follow your team when you can't make it far easier. I'd guess most people that stream will still attend matches when they can and the streaming will cover when they can't attend. I know I go whenever I can despite already being able to stream every match and I won't be the only one.

People are also kidding themselves if they think they can operate it on a PPV model. I know a few people will do that through iFollow but most people won't entertain the idea. Remember when all PL games were broadcast during lockdown and they tried to change to a PPV model. There was a huge backlash. A monthly subscription is far more palatable for people so they can't use the current iFollow user numbers as any sort of indicator, people would be far more open to a monthly/annual subscription. Volume usually wins. E.g. I would subscribe to something which then rolls on month after month. i might miss most of the matches for whatever reason but it's still a single decision. Deciding week to week is having a decision to make every week and often if I am not available I wouldn't be purchasing. They understand that locking subscribers in keeps money coming in more likely than PPV does.
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thats why I said 75% of the attendance drop off is probably built into todays 3pm numbers, the rest are just those who cannot get their head around unless its put on a simple plate for them to use like A_B above was saying he thought was the majority, and I think alot of the 3pm streamers are people who aren't typically going to the matches anyways maybe down to the costs or other reasons, but when its cheap on a plate for them its like why not, better than the radio. A portion of them might wanna pay for a sky sports style monthly sub for them to have them guaranteed top quality with no hassle, and other portion may wanna put up with the lesser service as it may cost the same for a year that the other costs for a month or two.

but I do believe the drop off is at least 75% built into todays numbers and only a small dent to walk ups would be made to the championship at least
 
Maybe I am not typical but I would say most people don't use illegal channels at home, certainly people who can easily afford to pay £10 for games. So to me 3pm crowds would drop if it was offered.

Mid week crowds are lower at every club in the championship and I think its part due to more legal coverage on Sky of these games.

If this went ahead and the Riverside was made £20 for all adult tickets people could not complain about walk ups, but that would lose the club £170,000 in ticket revenue per game. If the club kept price in the £30 to £34 bracket and this move went ahead they would lose around 15% in my opinion and possibly half the away fans.
 
I can see it happening. £5-£10 per game, fans will continue with dodgy boxes and some will go through the legal route of paying that, i dont think many home games will be affected because many of those who 'walk up' and pay £30-£40 a game have access to the dodgy box streams now anyway, it may hit the travelling fans a bit more but i think those who travel, do it out of love and out of habit, for the social reasons etc so i think the hit to overall crowd figures would be minimal.

I think it might hurt non-league games a bit. For example, my dad watches Marske at home if Boro are away, but if he could sit at home and watch Boro for a fiver or tenner he'd probably do that instead?
 
Redwurzel said:
Maybe I am not typical but I would say most people don't use illegal channels at home, certainly people who can easily afford to pay £10 for games. So to me 3pm crowds would drop if it was offered.

Mid week crowds are lower at every club in the championship and I think its part due to more legal coverage on Sky of these games.

If this went ahead and the Riverside was made £20 for all adult tickets people could not complain about walk ups, but that would lose the club £170,000 in ticket revenue per game. If the club kept price in the £30 to £34 bracket and this move went ahead they would lose around 15% in my opinion and possibly half the away fans.
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Mid week games have lower attendances for loads of reasons. Public transport is rubbish on an evening, people that travel long distances struggle, away fans will be reduced because of the same reason, people have work the next day, kids are less likely to attend. Weekdays have always been lower. I doubt the red button has a major effect. It won't have zero effect but it won't be significant (probably less significant than a TV deal would be beneficial).
 
Just read in.... When Saturday Comes

EFL TV revenues are split 80% Championship. 12% Division 1 and 8% Division 2. - its a contractual arrangement.

So 80% of £119m is £95.2m divided by 24 is about £4m per Championship Club if split evenly.

Thats about £170,000 per home Championship match - if given back to the fans it would be an average £6 off each ticket.

I doubt it all would be given to the fans - more like half of that.

The £119m is not as generous as it sounds - its about the same as the lowest paid Premier Club.
 
I’ve said it before, TV experience can’t match live game experience. Can’t think many who can afford a season ticket would ditch it for PPTV.
 
Its a matter of time before this happens - At times the UK is the only place you cant watch a UK game on TV.

They want the global audience, they really are not bothered about bums on seats.

Lets hope the commentary is better than it is for the boxing
 
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