Dairy and meat exports down 96% due to Brexit

Nobby_Barnes said:
We have left the EU get over it...
It still hasn't affected me or anyone I know.
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It has affected you, you are just ignorant or haven't connected many of the dots.

For instance, there was a major health exercise in 2016 tackling how we should respond to a potential pandemic, but because Brexiters didn't spell out what Brexit actually meant and didn't have a plan for how to implement it, nor had appreciated even a tenth of the repercussions, Parliament and Government was hamstrung for years simply navigating through this utterly dominant issue, resulting in none of the lessons or preparations being suitably in place for our badly underfunded health service.

So if you are wondering why so many died, why lockdown was handled so shabbily and why it is that New Zealand has done much better than us and reopened, you might like to reflect on the direct line from rewarding lying feckless incompetent brexit campaigners with a referendum vote has led to a government full of lying feckless incompetent brexiter ministers.
 
Lefty said:
It has affected you, you are just ignorant or haven't connected many of the dots.

For instance, there was a major health exercise in 2016 tackling how we should respond to a potential pandemic, but because Brexiters didn't spell out what Brexit actually meant and didn't have a plan for how to implement it, nor had appreciated even a tenth of the repercussions, Parliament and Government was hamstrung for years simply navigating through this utterly dominant issue, resulting in none of the lessons or preparations being suitably in place for our badly underfunded health service.

So if you are wondering why so many died, why lockdown was handled so shabbily and why it is that New Zealand has done much better than us and reopened, you might like to reflect on the direct line from rewarding lying feckless incompetent brexit campaigners with a referendum vote has led to a government full of lying feckless incompetent brexiter ministers.
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I thought New Zealand was only open to citizens of New Zealand and Australians?
 
Randy said:
Nobody is saying they know for certain?

Come on Andy, every brexit thread has the same group of people predicting the apocalypse.

I do disagree with what you said earlier though about 'non essential' jobs. Every job is essential wether you are a waiter, a bin man, a nuclear scientist, a police officer or a warehouse operative. A waiter's job might not be essential to you but it is to the waiter. In my opinion those deeming certain jobs 'non essential' are showing a bit of snobbery.
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Well, I can't talk for others, but if I say Brexit is going to be a nightmare, and far worse than the alternative then I don't mean for certain, but I mean it's exceptionally likely. You don't need certainty to form a highly valid opinion. Just like I think Juninho's our best ever player, I might be wrong, I could be way off, Camsell might be better or someone else who none of us have ever seen play etc. There might have been 10 guys playing in 1900 who were better, but I very much doubt it.

People aren't predicting an apocalypse, they're predicting that things will either get worse or they will not improve (growth), as fast as they would in the EU. All logic and studies back this line of thought up, people repeat it as it's the most likely outcome.

You've got an opinion that everything will be fine, or "it won't be that bad" or whatever, but you don't know that, and there's a lot less "certainty" to what you're saying. Just because there are two choices, doesn't mean the probability of each being good/ bad is equal, it's far from the case.

I didn't mean the industry was "non essential" from the point of the staff, and you know I didn't, don't try and twist it. I clearly wrote after that it was non-essential from the point of where peoples income gets spent. I meant "non essential" as in hospitality is one of the last places money goes, when money is tight, or just in general. So if people have £1,000, they might spend £400 on the mortgage, £200 on the car, and £200 on the kids, the £200 left might go to hospitality, pubs, restaurants, hotels etc. If that £1,000 gets cut to £800 people don't not pay the mortgage and go out to a restaurant instead, or at least they shouldn't.
The industry could also become less essential to business, if business starts failing, or they cut down travel budgets/ time. People going away on business etc, zoom and teams have proven people don't need to drive 200 miles and stay in a hotel to go to a meeting, when they can do 10 a day from their home/ office, and achieve 95% of the meetings worth (in some cases).
 
Randy said:
I thought New Zealand was only open to citizens of New Zealand and Australians?
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Any further forward on revealing these "plans" your industry has for avoiding the brexit economic downturn? I think I missed the post where you explained it to me
 
Laughing said:
When you call people liars, dishonest, stupid, hard of thinking you are going to get people making personal comments back at you. He can stop doing all those things and he wouldn't get the abuse he gets. It's a goes a round, comes around sort of thing.

Over and above all that, on this thread, Randy didn't vote tory, nor did he vote for brexit. He simply pointed out that as a restaurant his business orders were way down for produce, as would be the entire EU block so some of the shortfall in produce exports would be down to that. A perfectly reasonable argument.

On the other hand you have ST who voted tory, voted in an election with a single manifesto pledge, to get brexit done.

Hmm... I wonder why people get annoyed with him.
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That's fine, but ST probably gets more $hit on here than anyone, for effectively standing up for/ pointing out what are the most probable outcomes. But people shouldn't throw their teddies out when, ST fights back, especially when they have a view that goes against all economic predictions, even those that were campaigning for it.

I don't know who Randy voted for tbh, and I'm not really bothered either, but I doubt he voted remain, even if he said he did, who knows. I've not even met any "brexiteers" who defend it, or play it down so much like Randy does, I don't get it to be honest. I don't know if it's optimism or what, but I don't think it's reality.
Don't care who ST voted for either. The thing is most people voted for remain or not for leaving the CU and SM (even brexit voters). So even if voters were conned by the tories or brexit temporarily, then the vast majority have not got what they thought they were voting for anyway. Even mild-mid leavers have not got what they wanted economically, which is what most brexit arguments on here are about.

People can or could still vote tory and be against brexit, regardless of the manifesto. For example they personally might take 10% hit by not having tories in, but the hardest version of leave may only hit them 5%? So Tories in a softer brexit would be best for them personally +10%, but a hard brexit might only be +5% etc, who knows, each persons situation is different.
 
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Andy_W said:
That's fine, but ST probably gets more $hit on here than anyone, for effectively standing up for/ pointing out what are the most probable outcomes. But people shouldn't throw their teddies out when, ST fights back, especially when they have a view that goes against all economic predictions, even those that were campaigning for it.

I don't know who Randy voted for tbh, and I'm not really bothered either, but I doubt he voted remain, even if he said he did, who knows. I've not even met any "brexiteers" who defend it, or play it down so much like Randy does, I don't get it to be honest. I don't know if it's optimism or what, but I don't think it's reality.
Don't care who ST voted for either. The thing is most people voted for remain or not for leaving the CU and SM (even brexit voters). So even if voters were conned by the tories or brexit temporarily, then the vast majority have not got what they thought they were voting for anyway. Even mild-mid leavers have not got what they wanted economically, which is what most brexit arguments on here are about.

People can or could still vote tory and be against brexit, regardless of the manifesto. For example they personally might take 10% hit by not having tories in, but the hardest version of leave may only hit them 10%? So Tories in a softer brexit would be best for them personally +10%, but a hard brexit might only be +5% etc, who knows, each persons situation is different.
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Don't agree with a word of that Andy. Vote tory and be against brexit... Hmmm maybe but at that point you lose all rights to lambast anyone who voted either tory or brexit.

As for people calling him names.. He is invariably the first to use personal insults.

Defend him by all means but most of what you wrote bears little resemblance of the facts.
 
Laughing said:
Don't agree with a word of that Andy. Vote tory and be against brexit... Hmmm maybe but at that point you lose all rights to lambast anyone who voted either tory or brexit.

As for people calling him names.. He is invariably the first to use personal insults.

Defend him by all means but most of what you wrote bears little resemblance of the facts.
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How do you feel about exports of our farm produce to the EU virtually stopping due to brexit?
 
Andy_W said:
That's fine, but ST probably gets more $hit on here than anyone, for effectively standing up for/ pointing out what are the most probable outcomes. But people shouldn't throw their teddies out when, ST fights back, especially when they have a view that goes against all economic predictions, even those that were campaigning for it.

I don't know who Randy voted for tbh, and I'm not really bothered either, but I doubt he voted remain, even if he said he did, who knows. I've not even met any "brexiteers" who defend it, or play it down so much like Randy does, I don't get it to be honest. I don't know if it's optimism or what, but I don't think it's reality.
Don't care who ST voted for either. The thing is most people voted for remain or not for leaving the CU and SM (even brexit voters). So even if voters were conned by the tories or brexit temporarily, then the vast majority have not got what they thought they were voting for anyway. Even mild-mid leavers have not got what they wanted economically, which is what most brexit arguments on here are about.

People can or could still vote tory and be against brexit, regardless of the manifesto. For example they personally might take 10% hit by not having tories in, but the hardest version of leave may only hit them 5%? So Tories in a softer brexit would be best for them personally +10%, but a hard brexit might only be +5% etc, who knows, each persons situation is different.
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I didn't take part in the brexit vote for the 1,463rd time.


Also for the 999th time a vote for Tory at the last election was a vote for brexit. It was all they talked about during the campaign.

@SmallTown I answered your question straight up earlier, you've skipped past it.
 
Lefty said:
Ok, so Britain could have been only open to Brits. The key point being it would be open to Brits rather than locked down.
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I agree they should have shut the borders to EVERYBODY. But I don't know what that has to do with brexit. The conservatives are wholly responsible for the cluster **** they've caused and those who voted for them are partly responsible also after ignoring the warning signs of the past few years.
 
Randy said:
I agree they should have shut the borders to EVERYBODY. But I don't know what that has to do with brexit. The conservatives are wholly responsible for the cluster **** they've caused and those who voted for them are partly responsible also after ignoring the warning signs of the past few years.
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Brexit sucked the life out of every other facet of government. It paralysed it. Then it led to the ousting of the more intelligent, reasonable One Nation Tories in favour of a far right bigoted corrupt cult with a man in charge whose all time hero is the mayor of Amity who first denied there was a danger then wanted to prioritise business profits ahead of swimmers health while a great white shark is on the prowl.
 
Nobby_Barnes said:
Youse lot frothing at the mouth should be focussing on climate change, that's the thing that's going to affect us and our offspring...Forget about Brexit it's over with !
Vote Green 🍏
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We used to be able to directly influence the response of 27 other nations on climate change, with significant influence on the world in general, as a result. Climate change requires international co-operation, not isolation.

Brexit is done, rejoining the Single Market, step by step, is an inevitable ongoing process.
 
Laughing said:
I think its bad, what's your point?
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I'm trying to get you back on track. You look petty and pathetic when you concentrate on personalities rather than issues. Trying to help you move away from that.

What do you think should be done about it?
 
Randy said:
I didn't take part in the brexit vote for the 1,463rd time.


Also for the 999th time a vote for Tory at the last election was a vote for brexit. It was all they talked about during the campaign.

@SmallTown I answered your question straight up earlier, you've skipped past it.
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You explicitly stated you weren't going to answer my question.

Which lead me to question why. One could suggest you were lying when you said the industry had plans. The fact you can't expand on them would back that up
 
SmallTown said:
You explicitly stated you weren't going to answer my question.

Which lead me to question why. One could suggest you were lying when you said the industry had plans. The fact you can't expand on them would back that up
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Would you share a confidential business plan from the buisness you work in?

I'm a liar now aswell as stupid and the multitude of other things you've called me and implied about me today?

ST playing the big man on the internet. 😂
 
Laughing said:
Don't agree with a word of that Andy. Vote tory and be against brexit... Hmmm maybe but at that point you lose all rights to lambast anyone who voted either tory or brexit.

As for people calling him names.. He is invariably the first to use personal insults.

Defend him by all means but most of what you wrote bears little resemblance of the facts.
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You don't have to agree, it's a fact that not all tories wanted brexit, Cameron didn't even want it and they actually campaigned against, and then DC and Farage went fishing and a chunk of people took the bait. Even Cameron's replacement May didn't vote brexit and didn't want it, Bojo did, but only for self gain and to line his own pockets, but that's just a recent development. So there's a few leading tories there who didn't want it, it's not inconceivable that some voters wouldn't. This was proven in the surveys and might have even been up to 30% of Tory voters that never wanted it, I can't remember off the top of my head and I've given up looking as it's a waste of time.
I bet a lot of the tory voters that never wanted brexit have now jumped ship back to Labour. Equally, there was a load of labour voters and they jumped ship and went and voted tory/ brexit, yet neither tories or brexit were likely to actually help them (a lot of them were lied to/ used).
Loads used to vote lib dem, then they jumped ship when they sold out to the tories etc, peoples parties do daft things and people switch sides, it's happened since politics started.

Yes, in most cases a tory vote is a brexit vote, but not in all cases. Some may have seen tory/ brexit as a marginally lasser of two evils, rather than vote Corbyn/ remain? There's plenty of policies I've not liked, pretty much from every party I've voted for and I've voted for a few.

I don't think he cares if people call him names, but I've seen others go after him first on numerous threads. All ST seems to care about is information being shared/ becoming public, which is fine. A lot of that might be brexit or pandemic related or whatever, but they're the main things in the news, so it makes sense.

What I write may not be "facts" largely because I don't say they are facts, mostly because a lot of it is in the future and I'm not Marty McFly. A lot of the info I post is based on most probable outcomes, which is a lot more likely than the side you keep defending. You cant dig at "facts" when you're defending something which has a less probable outcome.
 
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