Customer Service @ British Gas

They didn't give me a queue number, but 20 minutes is my limit for their quick service.

I am not against smart meters, I just want one that is fitted and works for say 5 years without a problem. When there is a problem there is someone I can ring or text or message or chat online too - within 15 minutes of trying. Is that asking a lot?

I have my suspicions customers service levels have dropped since the staff were sent to "work" from home. I meet people who boast how they can pretend to be working from home, when they are not working from home.
Nonsense. The company use the pandemic and any other world event as an excuse to give you shoddy service and not invest properly in customer experience. Big companies wouldn't be letting people work from home unless they got something out of it. In this case is a boost in efficiency, fewer sick days and lower overheads.

Edit - I can see that others made that point much better than I did 😂
 
Nonsense. The company use the pandemic and any other world event as an excuse to give you shoddy service and not invest properly in customer experience. Big companies wouldn't be letting people work from home unless they got something out of it. In this case is a boost in efficiency, fewer sick days and lower overheads
Yep, I love working from home and have been doing it since 2015 so pandemic nothing new for me.

But lot of stuff in the office I would have called in sick for, generally feel like I just have to plough on WFH.

They have to buy a few chairs and desks etc. but save in office space, sick days etc which makes each FTE fully loaded cost come down

If my job said I had to go into the office now I'd look for another job. I was in the office yesterday for a team day - 3rd time in 3 years and only a half day. It's a 1.5 hour peak time commute for me, so if I'd been doing that for 22 days a month, 85 miles a day, 1870 miles a month, car gets 33mpg average 56.6 gallons of fuel a month or 679 gallons a year so 2037 gallons in the 3 years - that's 9260 litres, at £1.50 per litre so £13,890 saved - I've probably mucked that up somewhere but it's a good amount!

Plus we dropped down to one car a few years ago so that's saved a fortune too

But the real benefit is time. I can get up 08:30 and I can be on call of duty on my lunch break or be in a cafe in yarm, I get all my parcels, don't need time off for appointments or tradesmen. I spent a year looking after my critically ill cat round the clock - couldn't have done that with an office job and a massive commute. I get 3 hours of my day back in commute time plus my lunch break.

It's a life changing way of work and the genie isn't going to go back in the bottle, but those that never had the chance to do it, will always be against it - same with the 4 day working week. They forget that previously people would work Saturdays too! Times change
 
I'm with British Gas though not on a smart meter. I've used that live chat function a few times and have never had to wait more than a few moments to get a live advisor.
 
One of the reasons I'd generally avoid most of the traditional "big 6" although that landscape has changed quite a lot with octopus taking on bulb and other failed suppliers.

Ideally you want a supplier that you can email, tweet, ring etc and they'll answer fairly quickly.

Don't think British Gas has ever been particularly competitive on price, and definitely not well rated for service
They were very accessible when they had shops across the country. Change is not always progress.
 
I'm with British Gas though not on a smart meter. I've used that live chat function a few times and have never had to wait more than a few moments to get a live advisor.
BBG - I had the same experience in the past, but not yesterday.

I will try chat again, but starting to think about switching - the smart metter has not worked properly for months and they know this because they ask me for readings. They accepted me for cheap sunday faternoon power, but they can't measure it, so just give me a random credit - crazy.
 
Same as any big company

They don't want to employ an extra 1000 staff so that when you pick up the phone someone immediately answers it or when you join live chat you are 1st in the queue

Most energy suppliers make a loss on the supply side of the business, so money on extra staff is hard to come by. When I worked as a business analyst for one of the big 6 for 3 years, we were under notice of potential redundancy 4 times and we were a critical area and during that time several call centres closed down - they weren't getting less calls they just couldn't afford to keep running them. It got to the point that they wouldn't compete on price - they couldn't afford to - but people still used them despite high prices and high complaints

They know it's poor service but people will get serviced. It just means they have to wait and that reflects badly in complaints and customer survey scores and consumer reviews but the bottom line is what goes in the accounts.

Customer services generates close to zero cash. Goodwill through good service is beneficial but even the worst companies people will still use them - British Gas, Utility warehouse, evri/yodel etc. people know they're crap, but how often do you contact your supplier? Usually only when something goes wrong, or you need to change something - both, for most people, are rare events, so it's a short lived frustration when it does happen. So if you flesh out a service function with enough staff to cover every peak hour, you're going to have loads of bums on seats when it's less busy but you still have to pay them.

That's why I like octopus, they've never made a profit. I can test them at 9pm on a Sunday night and someone will reply (believe their social teams work until 10)

I don't really use twitter for anything other than speaking to companies. But I'd rather tweet them and ask a question or tell them to do something and once it's sent, get on with my day. Sitting on the phone for an hour or watching a live chat queue position trickle down are both complete wastes of time. Send a tweet and go read a book for an hour.
Cheers for the lengthy reply.

You are basically saying don't use the big energy companies as they are not interested in customers service and its this lack of interest in customer service rather than how they operate it that leads to poor customer service?

With British Gas (who the general public contract with), they are Centrica and their prime business is retailing energy isn't it? opposed to production and distribution. You would think cusotmer service is fairly important to Centrica, if it isn't Centrica will forever struggle and eventaully disappear?

I would disagree slightly with the statement contacting customer services for a utility company is a rare event, maybe not common but it will happen at least once a year for most people, certainly with the unreliability of smart meters over a 5 year span, people also will switch, want DDs changing, move house etc. Poor customer service must impact on sales eventually?
 
Cheers for the lengthy reply.

You are basically saying don't use the big energy companies as they are not interested in customers service and its this lack of interest in customer service rather than how they operate it that leads to poor customer service?

With British Gas (who the general public contract with), they are Centrica and their prime business is retailing energy isn't it? opposed to production and distribution. You would think cusotmer service is fairly important to Centrica, if it isn't Centrica will forever struggle and eventaully disappear?

I would disagree slightly with the statement contacting customer services for a utility company is a rare event, maybe not common but it will happen at least once a year for most people, certainly with the unreliability of smart meters over a 5 year span, people also will switch, want DDs changing, move house etc. Poor customer service must impact on sales eventually?
It's not that they're not interested in customer services, it's just you can't resource for the peaks by employing an army of staff, and have hundreds if not thousands of bums on seats the rest of the time, and expect to make a decent profit at the same time. Telephone calls are extremely inefficient 1-2-1 form of customer service. When you speak to an agent on livechat, the reason they often take so long to reply is because they're serving 3-5 customers at once and have pre-typed responses to many queries and basic queries are usually filtered out by a chat assistant. Similar to email, they'll have an inbox and work on a number of queries at once because that person isn't there speaking to them now. Social media will have a software suite that will manage the various channels and queries, but for telephones you need one bum on one seat for each customer ringing at that point in time else you get queues, then everyone who gets through is mad and wants to complain because of the wait, which holds up the next call and it snowballs from there. WIth digital multi channel companies those colleagues can jump on the phones when need be but its hard to go from being a behemoth of a company to one that is agile, so most firms in m ost industries will employ just about the minimum possible to service people to a certain level. However a company can have shocking CS and people will still use them, just look at Evri and Yodel. DPD are a brilliant courier but if anything goes wrong they are an absolute nightmare to deal with. And British Gas in fact, who you are still with despite all this. Its either through brand loyalty, fear of the unknown, the belief that any other company will be the same or any other manor of reasons. Octopus has phone channels, and I imagine people do write to them even, but they're a very digital friendly company and you can do most things yourself in their app or website, but they also make their data available via API so you can get third party applications that will show you how much youre forecast to use that month and present it to you in easy graphs etc. You don't have to use it, but it exists. I imagine if I tweeted BG or SSE at 8pm on a sunday I'd probably get a tweet back in a few weeks time asking me to call them.

Yes Centrica own British Gas, just like they own many other companies - Centrica makes it money from a variety of streams with half of the group profits coming from upstream. Centrica itself is essentially an Oil and Gas company, that does energy generation and has British Gas. BG is fairly unique in the energy supply industry because they do pretty much everything, at a cost roughly twice of what you can get elsewhere, and people pay it. I suspect if they were called French Gas they wouldn't enjoy the same luck. They do boiler installs, boiler cover, hive smart heating systems, they have a pretty large market share in the UK yet they're completely crap in most regards, really expensive for their cover and installs, but people still use them. They struggle to retain their staff too as they don't pay great wages so the experienced lads generally strike out on their own. If BG didn't do all the extra contracts, boiler installs etc then like most energy firms they would struggle to make a profit. Centrica however isn't going to deal because british gas has crap customer services - other energy suppliers will be in the same boat and, crap as BG are, they aren't even in the bottom 5 in a lot of rankings

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That said, as you can see from the above, they're starting to lose ground. Smaller challenger firms are starting to appear. Some are better than others, but they're able to interact with customers better.


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Octopus lowest complaints per 100k customers since joining the big 6. What is surprising here is Octopus is now, in an update to the graph above, on course to be the second largest energy provider in the UK after it's acquisition of Shell energy and rescue of Bulb. So it is possible to have good service and a lot of customers, but it has to be the focus of the company and for many it isn't.


As for contacting a supplier, most customers do not. Majority of energy supplier cause for contact, even smart meter customers, is because of financial difficulties or billing enquiries. Those that are not in financial difficulties may contact if they need to change a DD etc but majority will just do that online. People have a view that smart meters are unreliable because of a very vocal minority but majority of smart meter customers don't have any issues with them. When we would analyse complaint data, there were more complaints about call waiting times and offshore call centres than there were about smart meters. Switching is done online, you don't need to contact your supplier unless you need your usage data, all of which is on your bills. Moving house online form or app, DD online or fire off an email for all of those. If you don't value your time then of course you can sit on the phone and wait for ages but banks aren't closing because people prefer to go into branches - because they don't. Banks are closing because the massive majority of people don't want to go into town and go to the bank to pay in a cheque, so they use an app, then they end up with a tiny proportion of people using it. Same with Energy, and many other industries. People would rather be able to request their own credit balance refund, download their own statement in PDF, change their own Direct debit or just provide a new address. If you want to change energy supplier its a 2-3 minute job using an online form and they do all the work for you. Gone are the days of door to door salesmen - although you still get utility warehouse who are an awful company and a pyramid scheme in disguise as they don't pay their sales people a salary.

I would say in the last 10 years I have contacted my energy firm maybe 25 times, and majority of that probably with Octopus as its so easy to do, and my last supplier GEUK who were so small that you could ring them and they would answer the phone and it would be the guy that just emailed you.


They were very accessible when they had shops across the country. Change is not always progress.
Except when it is. Even if you had to wait 20 minutes in a live chat queue, or on the phone, that is surely better than having to go to town to a shop, park, wait to speak to someone and back home? I presume you are talking way before direct debits existed - so are you genuinely saying you'd rather pay your bill at the counter and speak to someone rather than it just being taken automatically off your bill? If so that's wild. I've absolutely got better things to be doing with my time than going to the gas shop, and I'd rather my bill be lower because they're not supporting a retail network without the clout to compete with specialised retailers like Curry's. Those shops were all closed because they were loss making then, it would be worse now.
 
Yes, you spend your life buying online and explain how good the system is by spending hours typing on a message board describing 'progress'. You use your time well. Don't waste it on face to face interaction, how silly would that be?
 
Yes, you spend your life buying online and explain how good the system is by spending hours typing on a message board describing 'progress'. You use your time well. Don't waste it on face to face interaction, how silly would that be?
You've got twice as many posts on here as I have, so I've got twice as much time to chat to my actual mates.
 
I can type at 60 words per minute, but it doesn't matter about the length of a post, you can't try that petty stance when you've double the amount of posts - you're the 12th most prolific user on the site 😂
 
Let’s face it. Everyone is going to be on a smart meter eventually.
With Eon at the moment. They had an offer on of £100 if they were allowed to fit meters. Had it done a week ago. £100 in my account today. So far so good.
 
Let’s face it. Everyone is going to be on a smart meter eventually.
With Eon at the moment. They had an offer on of £100 if they were allowed to fit meters. Had it done a week ago. £100 in my account today. So far so good.
Yep, you can say no now, but when meter reaches end of life or fails you can't say no.
 
Let’s face it. Everyone is going to be on a smart meter eventually.
With Eon at the moment. They had an offer on of £100 if they were allowed to fit meters. Had it done a week ago. £100 in my account today. So far so good.
Not until they improve the technology. They won't work where I am. I'm with EON too and did the same thing. They know they don't work.....
 
Not until they improve the technology. They won't work where I am. I'm with EON too and did the same thing. They know they don't work.....
What’s wrong NY ? A genuine inquiry for as I said , I only had so called smart meter a week. I’m in N Yorks by the way ?
 
I needed to report a problem with my Smart Meter to British Gas.

I tried the phone line......and I got a message, we are extremely busy etc, if you are not reporting a loss of supply etc, could you use online chat.

So logged on and went to online chat - told the chat bot what the problem was and they replied they would get an adviser to deal with me in chat function. 21 minutes later, I was still waiting and gave up. I was chasing up a problem I had reported in late September too, that they said they their engineeers were working on. Abysmal service.
They are a nightmare
 
What’s wrong NY ? A genuine inquiry for as I said , I only had so called smart meter a week. I’m in N Yorks by the way ?
I have a 3rd floor apartment. The electric meter is outside my front door. The gas meter is on the other side of the building in the ground. There is no way they can communicate.
 
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