Covid deniers and anti maskers

ThirdLeg said:
Its not about not being questioned. It took about 3 post to go from me saying i don't personally agree with mask wearing, but do it anyway. To someone suggesting millions of deaths lay on my conscience should i harbour a mutation (god knows what chances of this are). I dont think thats constructive criticism. It is a hysterical response.
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The more people that behave like you, thinking they know more than scientists, the more there is the chance of mutations. That's a fact, you might not like facts, but it's true.

We should all be doing our bit, as humans, to protect each other. We shouldn't be speculating and undermining mask wearing just because we can.
 
BoroMart said:
which opinion, that denying that masks work? I'm happy for the multitude of scientists to do that They have, unanimously.
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I was referring to your claims in regards to the op, please provide evidence for that.

But please also provide me the multitude of evidence or studies for the efficacy of masks whilst you're there. I say that as one who wears one happily.
 
BoroMart said:
The more people that behave like you, thinking they know more than scientists, the more there is the chance of mutations. That's a fact, you might not like facts, but it's true.

We should all be doing our bit, as humans, to protect each other. We shouldn't be speculating and undermining mask wearing just because we can.
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Which scientists?

Plus nobody is undermining mask use. That ship has sailed and everybody on here wears a mask when needed to.
 
BoroMart said:
The more people that behave like you, thinking they know more than scientists, the more there is the chance of mutations. That's a fact, you might not like facts, but it's true.

We should all be doing our bit, as humans, to protect each other. We shouldn't be speculating and undermining mask wearing just because we can.
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I dont behave any differently than you though, do I? I think differently than you. thats a big difference.

I've maintained i do it all by the book. Why can i not question what i am doing?
 
ThirdLeg said:
Why can i not question what i am doing?
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You were not "questioning" though were you?
ThirdLeg said:
i think wearing a mask is total b***ks. I still do it, mind. But its just ridiculous isnt it. Makes a few people feel better though i suppose. Optics.

I am also not in a rush to be vaccinated for a virus that is extremely unlikely to harm me, or my children.
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You were pouring scorn upon mask wearing as "ridiculous". You were saying you don't need the vaccine. The very essence of "I'm all right, stuff you lot"
 
I am not convinced of the necessity to wear a mask when, for example, collecting coffee from a takeaway hatch, prepared by someone else, handled by someone else, then promptly shoved into my mask-less mouth.
But we have decided that these NON ESSENTIAL tasks are okay, so long as we wear masks. Its optics, in my opinion. If the risk of mutations is HUGE and millions of deaths hang over our heads, as you say, how can we permit such actions?

I believe what i initially said is that i think to still be wearing masks a year on is absurd. No one really probed what i think is absurd, or seemed that interested in doing so. But you made plenty of assumptions about my character and my politics.

But what is absurd to me is the FACT that wearing a mask and performing a non essential task is considerably more risky than not doing it at all. And so it begs the question what are we really doing here? If i can collect a Chinese takeaway, are masks really necessary? Now you might say its a necessary way to enable us to live a little. I happen to question if wearing a mask really makes it as safe as we assume.

But when you have elevated the risk of catching coronavirus to deaths of millions, how can you possibly justify these needless encounters, by placing a piece of cloth over your mouth?
 
Alvez_48 said:
I was referring to your claims in regards to the op, please provide evidence for that.
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I have an opinion which is unquantified with evidence, it's your job to tell me I am wrong if that is how you feel. Remember some people on this thread have complained about not being allowed to have there voice. I have my voice, I use it, if you don't agree with it, good for you.

Alvez_48 said:
But please also provide me the multitude of evidence or studies for the efficacy of masks whilst you're there. I say that as one who wears one happily.
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There are plenty of studies, you know this already, google is your friend.

Randy said:
Plus nobody is undermining mask use. That ship has sailed and everybody on here wears a mask when needed to.
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I'm not sure everyone does, or that that ship has sailed. You only have to look at the evening gazette page or walk down stockton high street to see that masks are not 100% adhered to.
Alvez_48 said:
More facts that aren't facts with 0 evidence.
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Nope, of course it is a fact that the higher the rate of infection in a virus, the more chance of mutation. This is standard for any virus. Every single infection is a mutation opportunity. The more people infected, the more cells, the more chance of a mutation, the key factors are a) what is the mutation rate, and b) how many opportunities to mutate. There are plenty of white papers on this if you care to research, but it isn't rocket science as a basic concept, it's pure statistics. The fact that Covid is highly infectious and particularly the Kent strain, means that 1 person can seed 1,000s of infections within a month, we all need to be vigilant and adult about protecting each other. Anyway hers a nice paper on mutations: https://jvi.asm.org/content/92/14/e01031-17
 
ThirdLeg said:
I am not convinced of the necessity to wear a mask when, for example, collecting coffee from a takeaway hatch, prepared by someone else, handled by someone else, then promptly shoved into my mask-less mouth.
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a) make your own coffee, b) decant the coffee into your own cup, c) wipe the coffee cup and remove the plastic lid. But the existence of said coffee cup has zero influence on the efficacy of masks. Personally I've only had one Starbucks in a year, and I feel healthier for it.
 
Muttley said:
You were not "questioning" though were you?

You were pouring scorn upon mask wearing as "ridiculous". You were saying you don't need the vaccine. The very essence of "I'm all right, stuff you lot"
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Every time i put one on i think to myself "why am i still doing this?"

Is that a question?


I said i was in no rush to be vaccinated from a virus i am not at risk from. And i would extend that thinking to my children. And, seeing as im in my late 30s, i dont think the government are in any real rush to vaccinate me either.

You're extrapolating to "I'm all right, stuff you lot" but i have many times now said i comply with every single thing im asked. I do things for the greater good, despite opposing them strongly in my own mind. How many times can you lot prove what ive been banging on about for the last 10 pages without gaining an ounce of self awareness.

Ive said i think mask wearing is b***ks and im in no rush to get vaccinated and you think you all know everything about me.
 
ThirdLeg said:
If i can collect a Chinese takeaway, are masks really necessary?
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yes, because chinese takeaway is a risk, but then so is not eating. refusing to wear a mask is a risk, but wearing a mask isn't. It's a non-harmful precaution, to reduce the chance of infection.

Nothing will be 100% safe, but every little helps. I don't shake hands with people, I don't stand 2 foot from people, and I don't walk where other people are without a mask. We all need to do our bit to reduce infections, reduce hospitalisations, and reduce deaths. It really shouldn't be that difficult to comprehend, the more precautions we take, the more we protect each other and ourselves.
 
BoroMart said:
a) make your own coffee, b) decant the coffee into your own cup, c) wipe the coffee cup and remove the plastic lid. But the existence of said coffee cup has zero influence on the efficacy of masks. Personally I've only had one Starbucks in a year, and I feel healthier for it.
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You have entirely missed the point of my post.

I dont need to do any of those things, i can just wear a mask, so says the Government.

Millions of deaths lurk around the corner, says the FMTTM poster. "it is a fact that the higher the rate of infection in a virus, the more chance of mutation." so why not extend the efforts to reduce the the rate of infection and close the coffee shop?
 
Muttley said:
Trolling then?

Because your first post certainly does not align with your position.
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" i think wearing a mask is total b***ks. I still do it, mind. But its just ridiculous isnt it. Makes a few people feel better though i suppose. Optics."

"I am also not in a rush to be vaccinated for a virus that is extremely unlikely to harm me, or my children. "

vs

"Ive said i think mask wearing is b***ks and im in no rush to get vaccinated and you think you all know everything about me."


whats the difference?
 
BoroMart said:
I have an opinion which is unquantified with evidence, it's your job to tell me I am wrong if that is how you feel. Remember some people on this thread have complained about not being allowed to have there voice. I have my voice, I use it, if you don't agree with it, good for you.
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Seeing as the Op stated the opinion it's not my place to prove anything other than to state clearly there's no evidence to support the claim.
BoroMart said:
There are plenty of studies, you know this already, google is your friend.
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I can't find them please provide me what you've read.

BoroMart said:
Nope, of course it is a fact that the higher the rate of infection in a virus, the more chance of mutation. This is standard for any virus. Every single infection is a mutation opportunity. The more people infected, the more cells, the more chance of a mutation, the key factors are a) what is the mutation rate, and b) how many opportunities to mutate. There are plenty of white papers on this if you care to research, but it isn't rocket science as a basic concept, it's pure statistics. The fact that Covid is highly infectious and particularly the Kent strain, means that 1 person can seed 1,000s of infections within a month, we all need to be vigilant and adult about protecting each other. Anyway hers a nice paper on mutations: https://jvi.asm.org/content/92/14/e01031-17
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This isn't what you claimed... You claimed..

"The more people that behave like you, thinking they know more than scientists, the more there is the chance of mutations. That's a fact, you might not like facts, but it's true."


So again 0 evidence received so far, please provide it.
 
ThirdLeg said:
I dont need to do any of those things, i can just wear a mask, so says the Government.
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well you have completely missed the message of the government if you think they have told you wear a mask, that's all you need to do and everything will be OK. That isn't the message and never has been.
ThirdLeg said:
so why not extend the efforts to reduce the the rate of infection and close the coffee shop?
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Personally, I can understand closing to reduce infections, but alternatively keep open because food is a a basic need, and it keeps the economy trickling. There are positives and negatives to it. MASKS, there are seriously no negatives, other than people fake bleating about their civil rights. The government have ballsed up the message, but again, that does not impact the efficacy of mask wearing.
 
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