Coburn’s goal - should it have stood?

[ForssAwakens]

Rolling ball when the corner was taken?

 

[Nosmo-King]

We need to be a bit careful - Sav’s goal the other night resulted from the same!

 

[Colgates_shaving_foam]

Definite rolling ball, i know it's not a worry for us at the moment but would VAR step in to rule that out? Don't think i've seen an example of it in a VAR game?

 

[bear66]

I noticed we had a rolling ball corner earlier in the game which wasn't picked up.

 

[S7DiscoDown]

I didn't notice at the time. It's the second one this week.

I have definitely noticed this short / quick corner thing we are doing. Just get it to Kabano to go 1 on 1. I imagine it's because we have no hieght or real threat to just lump it in.

That's 4 goals from setplays this week. Proper Warnock

 

[Norfolkred1]

How many goals are scored with the ball not being in the corner flag triangle.

 

[McBrid]

Kebano is fantastic 1 on 1. Can go either side and is so tricky.

 

[TeaCider]

It would have been very harsh to disallow it, even if it was rolling slightly, given he passed it a couple of yards.

The goal didn't come directly from the delivery.

 

[Rofesleg]

How many goals are scored with the ball not being in the corner flag triangle.

Not many. The ball would have to be COMPLETELY outside the triangle. In the same way it has to cross the line for a goal.

 

[Erimus74]

How many goals are scored with the ball not being in the corner flag triangle.

That seems to be the case, it started with putting the ball on the line, then on the outside of the Line, then at times its not even touching

Suppose its human nature to try & get a little more if an advantage each time

 

[DCI_Gene_Hunt]

Rule for corners

The ball must be placed in the corner area nearest to the point where the ball passed over the goal line.

The ball must be stationary and is kicked by a player of the attacking team.

The ball is in play when it is kicked and clearly moves; it does not need to leave the corner area.

The corner flag post must not be moved

Opponents must remain at least 9.15 m (10 yds) from the corner arc until the ball is in play

To me that means the ball should be in the quadrant but that hasn't been applied for ages. I seem to remember reading that only a part of the ball has to be in the quadrant but again that rarely happens. At best a part of the ball is over the quadrant line these days. That said the rule should be specific about where the ball should be placed but it isn't.

 

[BoroMart]

difficult to say, it 'might' have come to a stop just prior to taking it, it might not as well

That seems to be the case, it started with putting the ball on the line, then on the outside of the Line, then at times its not even touching

The ball only needs to intersect the line. it can be 99% outside the quadrant ine, as long as 1mm of the ball hangs above the quadrant it's legal.

 

[DCI_Gene_Hunt]

difficult to say, it 'might' have come to a stop just prior to taking it, it might not as well

The ball only needs to intersect the line. it can be 99% outside the quadrant ine, as long as 1mm of the ball hangs above the quadrant it's legal.

I think that's right now but as I posted above the rules don't actually say that. The rule is too vague.

 

[Erimus74]

difficult to say, it 'might' have come to a stop just prior to taking it, it might not as well

The ball only needs to intersect the line. it can be 99% outside the quadrant ine, as long as 1mm of the ball hangs above the quadrant it's legal.

That's fine but there was a time when McNair placed the ball down & there was daylight between the ball & the line, little things I know

 

[BlindBoyGrunt]

That seems to be the case, it started with putting the ball on the line, then on the outside of the Line, then at times its not even touching

Suppose its human nature to try & get a little more if an advantage each time

Doesn't have to be touching, It has to be over the line from above, just like a goal.

 

[Norman_Conquest]

I've just watched the goals - Coburn does very well to fight for that goal. It was a proper centre forwards goal.

 

[BoroMart]

That's fine but there was a time when McNair placed the ball down & there was daylight between the ball & the line, little things I know

it is possible to place the ball down and see daylight but the edge of the ball be over the line, camera angles can be very deceptive on this

 

[Liamo]

Rule for corners

The ball must be placed in the corner area nearest to the point where the ball passed over the goal line.

It is also stated in the law that all lines on the field are part of the area they enclose, and in all cases involving a ball crossing a line, it is specified the ball must be completely over the line before it is no longer in the area encompassed by that line. Which is why for instance, the whole of the ball must be over the whole of the line, before a goal is scored. Because if that is not the case, the ball has not left the field and is therefore still in play.

With the corner quadrant, as with all other lines, if any part of the ball is still overhanging the line, the ball is considered to be still within that particular area.

The next time you watch a game, watch what the AR does when the corner is on their side and the ball is close to the edge of the quadrant. You'll see the AR lean over to look directly down on the ball and if any part of the ball overhangs the line, they will let the kick go ahead because they know that a ball overhanging the line is still technically inside the quadrant.

 

[DCI_Gene_Hunt]

It is also stated in the law that all lines on the field are part of the area they enclose, and in all cases involving a ball crossing a line, it is specified the ball must be completely over the line before it is no longer in the area encompassed by that line. Which is why for instance, the whole of the ball must be over the whole of the line, before a goal is scored. Because if that is not the case, the ball has not left the field and is therefore still in play.

With the corner quadrant, as with all other lines, if any part of the ball is still overhanging the line, the ball is considered to be still within that particular area.

The next time you watch a game, watch what the AR does when the corner is on their side and the ball is close to the edge of the quadrant. You'll see the AR lean over to look directly down on the ball and if any part of the ball overhangs the line, they will let the kick go ahead because they know that a ball overhanging the line is still technically inside the quadrant.

Rule 1 is field markings but says nothing about where the ball has to be for a corner.

Rule 15 which covers throws in is specific about where the player has to be (and therefore the ball) when taking a throw in.

I know the assistant refs always have a cursory glance and that the ball now seemingly doesn't have to be within the quadrant but it doesn't say that in Rule 17 which covers corners. Although the pic in the link clearly shows the ball outside the quadrant but with part of the ball over the line so that clearly is the expectation.

Law 17 - The Corner Kick

IFAB Laws of the Game

www.thefa.com

It always used to be that the ball had to be inside the quadrant - I don't know what the wording was then or how it came to be changed so that outside the quadrant/on the line was acceptable. It would help if the rule was more specific.

 

[Soutra]

Rules in football seem to indicate that for the ball to be out, all of the ball has to be over all of the line - not just touching, but not overhanging the line at any point. That's true for goals, throw ins, corners, goals kicks, penalties and everything. Therefore at corners just the slightest sliver of the ball simply has to be over the slightest sliver of the quadrant, and it's IN the quadrant.