Chelsea or Liverpool?

[Zoophonic]

That was Liverpool's first FA Cup final in a decade, and last season a brand new team won it?

That's true but on the other hand

Chelsea have been in 5 of the last 6 finals
Arsenal have won 4 of the last 9 finals

 

[Norman_Conquest]

That was Liverpool's first FA Cup final in a decade, and last season a brand new team won it?

I take your point but Liverpool recently beat Chelsea in the League Cup Final and how many times have Chelsea been in the FA Cup Final?

 

[Zoophonic]

The EFL Finals are even worse.

Man City have won 6 out of the last 9 finals

 

[Norman_Conquest]

Liverpool's honours list - you have to feel for them only being in a FA Cup Final once in a decade.​

​

Domestic​

League​

• First Division/Premier League
  • Winners (19): 1900–01, 1905–06, 1921–22, 1922–23, 1946–47, 1963–64, 1965–66, 1972–73, 1975–76, 1976–77, 1978–79, 1979–80, 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86, 1987–88, 1989–90, 2019–20
• Second Division
  • Winners (4): 1893–94, 1895–96, 1904–05, 1961–62
• Lancashire League: 1
  • Winners (1): 1892–93

Cups​

• FA Cup
  • Winners (8): 1964–65, 1973–74, 1985–86, 1988–89, 1991–92, 2000–01, 2005–06, 2021–22
• Football League Cup/EFL Cup
  • Winners (9): 1980–81, 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1994–95, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2011–12, 2021–22
• Football League Super Cup
  • Winners (1): 1985–86
• FA Charity Shield/FA Community Shield
  • Winners (15): 1964*, 1965*, 1966, 1974, 1976, 1977*, 1979, 1980, 1982, 1986*, 1988, 1989, 1990*, 2001, 2006 (* shared)

European​

• European Cup/UEFA Champions League
  • Winners (6): 1976–77, 1977–78, 1980–81, 1983–84, 2004–05, 2018–19
• UEFA Cup
  • Winners (3): 1972–73, 1975–76, 2000–01
• European/UEFA Super Cup
  • Winners (4): 1977, 2001, 2005, 2019

Worldwide​

• FIFA Club World Cup
  • Winners (1): 2019

 

[TeaCider]

That's true but on the other hand

Chelsea have been in 5 of the last 6 finals
Arsenal have won 4 of the last 9 finals

Chelsea have lost 4 of the last 6 finals.

Arsenal have won those 4 whilst comparatively struggling in the league, so it's not really an indication that it's a closed shop.

I'd argue that people are less interested because there's a hell of a lot more football on TV than there was in the "glory days" and the fact it's no longer a rare experience to watch a match takes some of the shine off the FA Cup.

Obviously the financial disparities caused by European football and ownership has made it less unpredictable than it used to be, which is a shame, but I think there's more to the decline in relevance than a few clubs have been in the final a lot lately.

 

[TeaCider]

Liverpool's honours list - you have to feel for them only being in a FA Cup Final once in a decade.​

​

Domestic​

League​

• First Division/Premier League
  • Winners (19): 1900–01, 1905–06, 1921–22, 1922–23, 1946–47, 1963–64, 1965–66, 1972–73, 1975–76, 1976–77, 1978–79, 1979–80, 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86, 1987–88, 1989–90, 2019–20
• Second Division
  • Winners (4): 1893–94, 1895–96, 1904–05, 1961–62
• Lancashire League: 1
  • Winners (1): 1892–93

Cups​

• FA Cup
  • Winners (8): 1964–65, 1973–74, 1985–86, 1988–89, 1991–92, 2000–01, 2005–06, 2021–22
• Football League Cup/EFL Cup
  • Winners (9): 1980–81, 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1994–95, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2011–12, 2021–22
• Football League Super Cup
  • Winners (1): 1985–86
• FA Charity Shield/FA Community Shield
  • Winners (15): 1964*, 1965*, 1966, 1974, 1976, 1977*, 1979, 1980, 1982, 1986*, 1988, 1989, 1990*, 2001, 2006 (* shared)

European​

• European Cup/UEFA Champions League
  • Winners (6): 1976–77, 1977–78, 1980–81, 1983–84, 2004–05, 2018–19
• UEFA Cup
  • Winners (3): 1972–73, 1975–76, 2000–01
• European/UEFA Super Cup
  • Winners (4): 1977, 2001, 2005, 2019

Worldwide​

• FIFA Club World Cup
  • Winners (1): 2019

That's not what I've said.

Your reasoning was that it's always the same teams in the final now, and it isn't.

I presume you still liked the FA Cup in the 80s and 90s despite it also largely being contested by a limited spread of teams?

 

[Norman_Conquest]

Chelsea have lost 4 of the last 6 finals.

Arsenal have won those 4 whilst comparatively struggling in the league, so it's not really an indication that it's a closed shop.

I'd argue that people are less interested because there's a hell of a lot more football on TV than there was in the "glory days" and the fact it's no longer a rare experience to watch a match takes some of the shine off the FA Cup.

Obviously the financial disparities caused by European football and ownership has made it less unpredictable than it used to be, which is a shame, but I think there's more to the decline in relevance than a few clubs have been in the final a lot lately.

I agree with the saturation of football on TV but I also feel it is the same teams over and over doesn't help.

 

[Norman_Conquest]

That's not what I've said.

Your reasoning was that it's always the same teams in the final now, and it isn't.

I presume you still liked the FA Cup in the 80s and 90s despite it also largely being contested by a limited spread of teams?

Sorry TeaCider, I am just linking all finals and not being fixated on the FA Cup.

I also think the FA Cup is the greatest football domestic competition in the world. It is great to see amateur teams go toe to toe with the professionals but we could guess now who will appear in the semi finals and wouldn't be far wrong.

 

[Lemmy_kilmister]

In answer to the OP.

I WILL NEVER BACK CHELSEA,OR WANT CHELSEA TO WIN - EVER.










(small caveat- as long as it's against Newcastle, Sunderland or Leeds )

 

[Erimus74]

That was Liverpool's first FA Cup final in a decade, and last season a brand new team won it?

I'm suprised David Attenbrough didnt comment on it ''and here we have an FAC final with a very, very rare species in the final against their opponents who play here at least once a season''

 

[Laughing]

That's not what I've said.

Your reasoning was that it's always the same teams in the final now, and it isn't.

I presume you still liked the FA Cup in the 80s and 90s despite it also largely being contested by a limited spread of teams?

I read an article in the racing post about the fa cup. In the 10 previous years, and this was in the 80's only 1 of 5 teams had won the fa cup. As I recall it was arsenal, Everton, Liverpool, spurs and man utd.

It's always been much the same.

 

[Rofesleg]

That's true but on the other hand

Chelsea have been in 5 of the last 6 finals
Arsenal have won 4 of the last 9 finals

I remember in the 90s one team was in three finals in a row and two of those were against the same team.