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alvez_49

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We NEED to drop 4-2-3-1

We need to stop trying to be so flipping fluid, players are popping up all over the pitch which is creating loads of room for the other teams when moves inevitably break down.

Forget about scoring we can't do that we need to stop leaking goals.

4-3-3

Barlaser

O'Brien Hackney

Jones/Forss Forss/Lath/Coburn McGree

No swapping wings, no overloads, no drifting round the pitch.


It won't happen, instead we will carry on doing what's not been working.
 
4-2-3-1/4-3-3 is barely any difference at all!!!

It's the tempo and the agression, not the number 10 dropping 10 yards deeper

You really think we have lost 5 games because of 1 position on the field?

We could play every formation going and still be *****, we don't play as a team (at the moment)
 
Gunslinger said:
4-2-3-1/4-3-3 is barely any difference at all!!!

It's the tempo and the agression, not the number 10 dropping 10 yards deeper

You really think we have lost 5 games because of 1 position on the field?

We could play every formation going and still be *****, we don't play as a team (at the moment)
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It wasn't just about the formation change and it really does make a difference, it's the difference between conceding two soft goals from midfield today, getting ran over constantly and providing support to your centre backs.
 
alvez_49 said:
It wasn't just about the formation change and it really does make a difference, it's the difference between conceding two soft goals from midfield today, getting ran over constantly and providing support to your centre backs.
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We had 3 midfielders in there today.
Yes Hackney was pushing forward but we always had numbers back they just didn't interrupt their play.

Knife through butter every time
 
TheWolfman said:
We had 3 midfielders in there today.
Yes Hackney was pushing forward but we always had numbers back they just didn't interrupt their play.

Knife through butter every time
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We had the exact same formation and style we play every week today what planet are you on.

We had midfielders playing in defence, attack, midfield so if that's what you mean by 3 in there, sure.
 
Not too sure if it’s the style but certainly we currently can’t tackle or pass the ball. Carrick’s decision to bring on Rogers was completely stupid when Jones is chomping at the bit. We did nothing on the right side after Forss went off. Why the love in with Rogers… anyone know?
 
TheWolfman said:
We had 3 midfielders in there today.
Yes Hackney was pushing forward but we always had numbers back they just didn't interrupt their play.

Knife through butter every time
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As above, we actually played with 4 natural central midfielders today and the amount of free shots we give away from the edge of the box was criminal

Its not about formations as i have said, if that was the case we would have had poor results when carrick first came laying the 4-2-3-1

And 75% of every other teams in the world who play the same way
 
Gunslinger said:
As above, we actually played with 4 natural central midfielders today and the amount of free shots we give away from the edge of the box was criminal

Its not about formations as i have said, if that was the case we would have had poor results when carrick first came laying the 4-2-3-1

And 75% of every other teams in the world who play the same way
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We're back to 'carrick has no impact on middlesbrough football club' 'formations aren't a thing' 'nothing matters its literally just 11 players playing and if yours are worse you lose'.

Luton got promoted and Rob Edwards said 'I didn't want to play this style of football ideally but I looked at the team and changed how I like to play to find a way to make the team competitive '
 
alvez_49 said:
We had the exact same formation and style we play every week today what planet are you on.

We had midfielders playing in defence, attack, midfield so if that's what you mean by 3 in there, sure.
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I understand it was the same formation but how much cover do u want. We had 4 defenders, 2 holding midfielders and Hackney. They just aren't doing there job

Maybe I'm not getting your point. I'm not sure I know what you mean.
 
alvez_49 said:
We're back to 'carrick has no impact on middlesbrough football club' 'formations aren't a thing' 'nothing matters its literally just 11 players playing and if yours are worse you lose'.

Luton got promoted and Rob Edwards said 'I didn't want to play this style of football ideally but I looked at the team and changed how I like to play to find a way to make the team competitive '
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I’d really like us to go for him when he inevitably gets relegated with Luton and Carrick walks/gets the boot.
 
TheWolfman said:
I understand it was the same formation but how much cover do u want. We had 4 defenders, 2 holding midfielders and Hackney. They just aren't doing there job

Maybe I'm not getting your point. I'm not sure I know what you mean.
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My point is we didn't have any of that. We had hackney and Howson in midfield and they got overran constantly the whole first half and most of the second.

That's why you drop in a deep sitting player to shield the defence because quite literally today and all the other games when the opposition get the ball there's a nice big patch of empty grass right in that space to pass the ball into right in front of our defenders who are on the turn running back to their 18 yard box.
 
It's also evident that 'fluid' teams with poor players become teams of responsibility shirkers.

Lads are running round, drifting into 'space' when we don't have the ball. So a press is completely in effective because we do it in groups of 1 player at a time.

You give strict ******* instructions on what each player does and where he should be.

Was it Phillips when he was class at Leeds said Bielsa told him to do one specific thing every game, there was a specific outball he wanted him to do every time and a specific patch of pitch he wanted him to win.
 
alvez_49 said:
My point is we didn't have any of that. We had hackney and Howson in midfield and they got overran constantly the whole first half and most of the second.

That's why you drop in a deep sitting player to shield the defence because quite literally today and all the other games when the opposition get the ball there's a nice big patch of empty grass right in that space to pass the ball into right in front of our defenders who are on the turn running back to their 18 yard box.
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I agree with that we also had obrien til he went lb. We can change the shape but hes only going to play howson sitting and them 2 in front. They are all part of the problem.

No shape works if they don't a job. Them 3 should be capable of protecting a back 4 but they aren't.

If we went ultra defensive 4-5-1 he would still play them 3 who aren't doing the job.
 
Style of play is not 'formations' just to elaborate a little bit more

Direct, short , long, high press, low press, etc etc are all team instructions not formations

Dropping the 'number 10' 10 yards deeper would have made no difference today whatsoever if the style and attitude remained the same
 
alvez_49 said:
That's why you drop in a deep sitting player to shield the defence because quite literally today and all the other games when the opposition get the ball there's a nice big patch of empty grass right in that space to pass the ball into right in front of our defenders who are on the turn running back to their 18 yard box.
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This.

You'd think a bloke who spent his career playing in that position at the highest level could spot it and fix it. It's baffling.
 
alvez_49 said:
We NEED to drop 4-2-3-1

We need to stop trying to be so flipping fluid, players are popping up all over the pitch which is creating loads of room for the other teams when moves inevitably break down.

Forget about scoring we can't do that we need to stop leaking goals.

4-3-3

Barlaser

O'Brien Hackney

Jones/Forss Forss/Lath/Coburn McGree

No swapping wings, no overloads, no drifting round the pitch.


It won't happen, instead we will carry on doing what's not been working.
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I was thinking 3-5-2 our defenders seem better suited to a back three.. our best fullbacks are wingbacks.. our best midfielders look best suited as a three.. and our strikers.. ditch the super important number 10 role to be carried out by an inexperienced newbie and get some freedom into the top two.. don’t just let it rest on Latte Largs shoulders

Jones back as right wingback.. then take your pick of our left wingback.. we have plenty of cover there!
 
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