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@The_Lizards_Jumpers I have spoken to a few folk since this chat yesterday though and although I think we could probably make a small saving by not using a few appliances, I do think you are doing very well to keep yours under a tenner if you have the heating on most of the day. Can only assume someone has spent some dosh on the insulation of your property as its 1920s.
 
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Turned the fridge down from 4 to 2 which has reduced my over-night usage from 30p to 16p. [7 hours].
Its a fridge / freezer - so the freezer part operates as normal.
Its cool enough to keep food safely.
It's good for the waistline too , reducing overnight fridge usage. I'm impressed you managed to calculate 30p of snack eating like
 
@The_Lizards_Jumpers I have spoken to a few folk since this chat yesterday though and although I think we could probably make a small saving by not using a few appliances, I do think you are doing very well to keep yours under a tenner if you have the heating on most of the day. Can only assume someone has spent some dosh on the insulation of your property.

Funny you should mention me, as I've just looked at the smart meter this morning and we're already on £7 and it's not even lunchtime :ROFLMAO: .

It's a fairly solid house, as you'd expect from it's age, and I think it's fairly well insulated (the roof is always one of the last on our road to thaw when it's snowed).
 
Have only put the heating on a couple of times when I'm freezing my **** off. Stick it on for an hour. I'm lucky in that I don't feel the cold much. Other than in the morning when it's too cold to get out of bed.

Got loads of black mould in the house this year and I'm wondering if it's because I haven't had the heating on. Would have thought that mould would grow through putting the heating on rather than leaving it off mind.
You need to get the windows open every now and then and let some air circulate.
Doing so lets excess moisture flow outside instead of settling on your walls, floors, and ceiling. Without the proper amount of moisture indoors, mould won't be able to grow
 
@The_Lizards_Jumpers I have spoken to a few folk since this chat yesterday though and although I think we could probably make a small saving by not using a few appliances, I do think you are doing very well to keep yours under a tenner if you have the heating on most of the day. Can only assume someone has spent some dosh on the insulation of your property.
I would be 99-99.9% surprised if it wasn't just that his thermometer isn't in a colder room and potentially regulating it with TRV's. It sounds like yours will be fully on 100% of the time which is essentially going to cost you about a quid an hour

Our house is poorly insulated, no cavity wall and loft is very thin and even missing in some parts- our elec use is £4-5 a day so we'd have to have the heating on with the boiler firing for about ten hours a day to match you, or 15 hours where your bill hit £20

Have you checked if you had preheating water on as that uses a LOT of gas for some boilers?
 
Funny you should mention me, as I've just looked at the smart meter this morning and we're already on £7 and it's not even lunchtime :ROFLMAO: .

It's a fairly solid house, as you'd expect from it's age, and I think it's fairly well insulated (the roof is always one of the last on our road to thaw when it's snowed).
Fair enough. I did spend a fair amount of time yesterday wondering why ours was so big, as we broke the £20 mark last night (had the washer/dryer on loads though so that won't happen every day).

I'm braced for £500+ bills in Dec/Jan though.
 
I would be 99-99.9% surprised if it wasn't just that his thermometer isn't in a colder room and potentially regulating it with TRV's. It sounds like yours will be fully on 100% of the time which is essentially going to cost you about a quid an hour

Our house is poorly insulated, no cavity wall and loft is very thin and even missing in some parts- our elec use is £4-5 a day so we'd have to have the heating on with the boiler firing for about ten hours a day to match you, or 15 hours where your bill hit £20

Have you checked if you had preheating water on as that uses a LOT of gas for some boilers?

Well if TRV's need fitting, then I haven't got them (as far as I'm aware, and we only renovated the house 2 years ago). The thermostat is in our daughters room, which is a middle floor bedroom, if that makes a difference ?
 
I would be 99-99.9% surprised if it wasn't just that his thermometer isn't in a colder room and potentially regulating it with TRV's. It sounds like yours will be fully on 100% of the time which is essentially going to cost you about a quid an hour

Our house is poorly insulated, no cavity wall and loft is very thin and even missing in some parts- our elec use is £4-5 a day so we'd have to have the heating on with the boiler firing for about ten hours a day to match you, or 15 hours where your bill hit £20

Have you checked if you had preheating water on as that uses a LOT of gas for some boilers?
OK but its hard to compare without knowing size of house/age/number of rads etc, plus number of kids as no one (unless they genuinely can't afford it) is gonna let a young child go cold at night.

I've spoken to a few with similar houses to mine and although we could do be doing better I don't think we're doing as badly as I feared yesterday.

You're £5 on electricity, we're about £6-7 on a bad day, so not a huge difference. Its gas where we're mostly getting stung as that alone is £10 a day (ish) if we're in the house all day.
 
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I've tuned the boiler and set the radiators to low in most rooms except the living room so it is reasonably comfortable. It is costing me about 15p per hour so at least I know what to expect until my current tariff expires next July. Then it will be a real punch to the guts.
 
Well if TRV's need fitting, then I haven't got them (as far as I'm aware, and we only renovated the house 2 years ago). The thermostat is in our daughters room, which is a middle floor bedroom, if that makes a difference ?
TRV's help but the main part is having thermostat in a habitable room. Hallways are naturally colder than bedrooms and lounges. Ideally you want it in the living room, a trv or a remote thermometer eve in there if you wanted to monitor the temp in her room

A trv is just a radiator valve with controls on them. Lots of different looks to them but basically like this:

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You don't need them but they're useful for reducing the demand on your boiler. Eg my office is warm because of computer and me being in it all day so doesn't need heat so that can easily go on frost or 1, so when heating comes on it's got less radiators to fill or keep as hot so less gas burned to do it

Most rooms fine at 2 (15c) or 3 (20c) - it stops rooms getting too hot when the main room is still being heated eg a small bedroom at a 3 and a lounge at a 3 - the bedroom hits 3 quickly so you don't want it to keep going to 24c because the lounge is still at 19c. Hallways etc you tend to leave on 5 as they're usually opened to the elements and have stairway etc so harder to heat

OK but its hard to compare without knowing size of house/age/number of rads etc, plus number of kids as no one (unless they genuinely can't afford it) is gonna let a young child go cold at night.

I've spoken to a few with similar houses to mine and although we could do be doing better I don't think we're doing as badly as I feared yesterday.

You're £5 on electricity, we're about £6-7 on a bad day, so not a huge difference. Its gas where we're mostly getting stung as that alone is £10 a day (ish) if we're in the house all day.
Have you checked the pre heating setting? Like I said £10-£15 a day is a lot on gas, we would have to have our boiler on most of the day AND firing constantly to hit those levels.

Speaking to similar houses is interesting but majority of people aren't really up to speed on efficiently heating a house as most people just do what they've always done or tweak it without learning how their system works most efficiently

Our £5 a day on electricity is 2 of us in a 4 bed detached however we have every device going - 1000w subwoofer, 200w stereo power amp, 200w surround sound amp, smart lighting all round the house and garden, 9 Alexa devices, work laptop, desktop computer, ps5 console, NAS/Media server, dehumidifier, dishwasher etc I think our elec use is definitely above average although have scheduled run times for some things to bring them down when not in use.


 
TRV's help but the main part is having thermostat in a habitable room. Hallways are naturally colder than bedrooms and lounges. Ideally you want it in the living room, a trv or a remote thermometer eve in there if you wanted to monitor the temp in her room

A trv is just a radiator valve with controls on them. Lots of different looks to them but basically like this:

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You don't need them but they're useful for reducing the demand on your boiler. Eg my office is warm because of computer and me being in it all day so doesn't need heat so that can easily go on frost or 1, so when heating comes on it's got less radiators to fill or keep as hot so less gas burned to do it

Most rooms fine at 2 (15c) or 3 (20c) - it stops rooms getting too hot when the main room is still being heated eg a small bedroom at a 3 and a lounge at a 3 - the bedroom hits 3 quickly so you don't want it to keep going to 24c because the lounge is still at 19c. Hallways etc you tend to leave on 5 as they're usually opened to the elements and have stairway etc so harder to heat


Have you checked the pre heating setting? Like I said £10-£15 a day is a lot on gas, we would have to have our boiler on most of the day AND firing constantly to hit those levels.

Speaking to similar houses is interesting but majority of people aren't really up to speed on efficiently heating a house as most people just do what they've always done or tweak it without learning how their system works most efficiently

Our £5 a day on electricity is 2 of us in a 4 bed detached however we have every device going - 1000w subwoofer, 200w stereo power amp, 200w surround sound amp, smart lighting all round the house and garden, 9 Alexa devices, work laptop, desktop computer, ps5 console, NAS/Media server, dehumidifier, dishwasher etc I think our elec use is definitely above average although have scheduled run times for some things to bring them down when not in use.


Will have a look at that defo, thanks. I think if there's only 2 of you though you are likely to spend less on both fuels than we are.
 
Will have a look at that defo, thanks. I think if there's only 2 of you though you are likely to spend less on both fuels than we are.
I've moved the thermostat from the hall into the living room and turned the TRV on the living room radiator to max so that it won't fight the thermostat. Seems to be working well.
 
I have a smart meter but not a display to tell me how much everything is costing. I do have a Nest thermostat though which tells me I had the heating on for 4 hours yesterday which is the longest I've had it on so far. Octopus are predicting that my bill for Dec will be £620 and £650 for January 🤯. This works out at £20ish a day.

Mid Oct to mid Nov the bill was just shy of £300 so £10ish a day.
 
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I have a smart meter but not a display to tell me how much everything is costing. I do have a Nest thermostat though which tells me I had the heating on for 4 hours yesterday which is the longest I've had it on so far. Octopus are predicting that my bill for Dec will be £620 and £650 for January 🤯. This works out at £20ish a day.

Mid Oct to mid Nov the bill was just shy of £300 so £10ish a day.
Similar to me I think, give or take 10% or so! I wonder if my fuel bill exceeds my mortgage at any point? Its very possible. If I throw in water it would have a great chance.
 
Will have a look at that defo, thanks. I think if there's only 2 of you though you are likely to spend less on both fuels than we are.
I would challenge most people on this forum to have as many electric devices running as we do, however we are very efficient about how and when they are ran. My gaming room has over 50 controllable lights in it alone 😂 Heating maybe an extra bedroom but otherwise probably not that much in it.

Have a mate with 2 kids in a 5 bed and they use a bit more than us but nowhere near £10/15 gas a day, like I said £10 gas a day is close to 10 hours of the boiler being in which a house definitely shouldn't need. It might be set to a temp for 10 hours but it shouldn't be providing heat for 10 hours but I suspect you either have comfort mode on or your rad / thermostat position is working against your wallet.

If you reach £15 a day in heating that's £450 a month on gas alone, the average usage figures are inaccurate but even allowing for that you're talking about £600 bills with elec factored in which is wild.

Either that or they forgot to build a wall on your house and it just has the wind blowing through 😂
 
I have a smart meter but not a display to tell me how much everything is costing. I do have a Nest thermostat though which tells me I had the heating on for 4 hours yesterday which is the longest I've had it on so far. Octopus are predicting that my bill for Dec will be £620 and £650 for January 🤯. This works out at £20ish a day.

Mid Oct to mid Nov the bill was just shy of £300 so £10ish a day.
Install Loop or Hugo and it will access the figures for you
 
I would challenge most people on this forum to have as many electric devices running as we do, however we are very efficient about how and when they are ran. My gaming room has over 50 controllable lights in it alone 😂 Heating maybe an extra bedroom but otherwise probably not that much in it.

Have a mate with 2 kids in a 5 bed and they use a bit more than us but nowhere near £10/15 gas a day, like I said £10 gas a day is close to 10 hours of the boiler being in which a house definitely shouldn't need. It might be set to a temp for 10 hours but it shouldn't be providing heat for 10 hours but I suspect you either have comfort mode on or your rad / thermostat position is working against your wallet.

If you reach £15 a day in heating that's £450 a month on gas alone, the average usage figures are inaccurate but even allowing for that you're talking about £600 bills with elec factored in which is wild.

Either that or they forgot to build a wall on your house and it just has the wind blowing through 😂
I think £11 is the worst we've had for gas.
 
On the subject of condensation / mould. I'd noticed a bit of condensation gathering on the bottom inside face of our windows the last week or so. Had a bit of an investigation and it turns out that one of us had closed all of the trickle vents on the windows at some point.
Opened them all up and its no longer there (y)
 
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