Cavani possibly facing a ban

jimmyjazz

jimmyjazz

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Why on earth would you take the risk using such a word? Ok it may be a term of endearment in Uruguay but surely he would know that others may take offence.. A thanks mate would of done the job equally as well. The mind boggles. It really does boggle.

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Edinson Cavani could face three-game ban as FA investigates social media post

The FA has confirmed it is investigating whether a social media post from the Manchester United striker used racist language
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..... he should know but ...

Since learning Brasilian Português, I still find it difficult to use the accepted term (by the black population as well) - "negro/negra", and not the word for the colour black - "preto/preta".

So it is racist to say "preto" to describe a person.

I think he is using a dimunitive here, again the accepted way in Brasil, although I have rarely heard or seen it used.

As far as I understand South American Spanish follows the same conventions as Brasil.

Of course, he has been in Europe a long term, so he really should know the difference, especially in English. As you also say, why not use something neutral.
 
masquesmog said:
..... he should know but ...

Since learning Brasilian Português, I still find it difficult to use the accepted term (by the black population as well) - "negro/negra", and not the word for the colour black - "preto/preta".

So it is racist to say "preto" to describe a person.

I think he is using a dimunitive here, again the accepted way in Brasil, although I have rarely heard or seen it used.

As far as I understand South American Spanish follows the same conventions as Brasil.

Of course, he has been in Europe a long term, so he really should know the difference, especially in English. As you also say, why not use something neutral.
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Bom dia meu amigo. Falo um pouco português também

Yeh I understand in a cultural context its not deemed offensive I just don't really know why an experienced player would take the risk when it could be so easily avoided. Saying that does it deserve a ban? I'm not sure
 
Hmm. But does he even speak English? “Thanks mate” probably wouldn’t come naturally if not. I’m not sure it deserves a ban, just a strong warning that the word isn’t acceptable in England.
 
jimmyjazz said:
Bom dia meu amigo. Falo um pouco português também
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Finalmente, para mim, eu posso falar um pouco também. Muitos aulas, pouco progesso ... Eu estava morando em São Paulo mais ou menos cinco meses por ano, até este ano .... eu tenho um pouco empressa lá (consultoria de gestão) com dois parceiros Brasileiros. Com certeza o négocio estava um pouco dificil este ano. Vamos ver.

Eu estava esperar por dois verãos por ano ... 😭

Boa sorte com seu português... minhas aulas vai continuar ... para sempre ...
 
Entendi. Trabalhei com alguns brasileiros então a aqui na Australia e tentei aprender um pouco de português. Depois, passei algum tempo trabalhando em hostels na brasil e aprendi um pouco mais. Passei a maior parte do meu tempo no nordeste. Quero retornar tambem.

Boa sorte com sua empressa! Negociação com português!? Must of been a nightmare!
 
atypical_boro said:
Hmm. But does he even speak English? “Thanks mate” probably wouldn’t come naturally if not. I’m not sure it deserves a ban, just a strong warning that the word isn’t acceptable in England.
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Thats a fair point but i dare say he would of been familiar with Suarez' ban for using the same word? Was bit tongue in cheek regarding the 'thanks mate'! Gracias amigo ?
 
jimmyjazz said:
Thats a fair point but i dare say he would of been familiar with Suarez' ban for using the same word? Was bit tongue in cheek regarding the 'thanks mate'! Gracias amigo ?
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Except that Suárez never used that word, at least not according to anything he or any of the other witnesses testified to in the disciplinary hearing.

It was referred to by a supposed South American language expert and then for some reason, various newspapers started reporting that Suárez had used it. The only word he admitted to using, or that any of the witnesses says they heard him say, was 'negro.'
 
From what I've gleaned this morning, the word in question is an endearment in Latin American Spanish. If so, should a man commenting to friend on social media in his native tongue, be judged by a group of old men in suits on what is and isn't acceptable in his own culture?
 
Liamo said:
Except that Suárez never used that word, at least not according to anything he or any of the other witnesses testified to in the disciplinary hearing.

It was referred to by a supposed South American language expert and then for some reason, various newspapers started reporting that Suárez had used it. The only word he admitted to using, or that any of the witnesses says they heard him say, was 'negro.'
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Didn't know that... But it was pretty well publicised so was probably aware the word may cause offence in Europe. I'm not saying he should be banned nor am I suggesting he is racist in any way, but for me why take the risk on a public platform?
 
It's a tough one to call - yes, he should be more careful and consider the social rules within his country of residence .. but then he's using his own countrys culturally accepted terms, in his own language, with a fellow countryman .. language that he's probably been brought up using and brought up believing is acceptable and possibly just instinctively uses it.

It's like the use of the "thumbs up" gesture that is used commonly in the West .. in a few places in the world it's considered in a similar fashion to giving somebody the middle finger and although you'd have to be aware of it's meaning in those countrys, I'd hate to think I'd get pulled up and called out about it if I instinctively gave somebody a thumbs up if he asked me how I was feeling.

With any of these things .. racism, homophobia etc .. surely we can't ignore context. There was a BBC radio commentator got suspended a few days back for describing a coming togther on the field between two players as "handbags". Come on .. context please!
 
jimmyjazz said:
Boa sorte com sua empressa! Negociação com português!? Must of been a nightmare!
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I am just the token Gringo, with some international links for my Brasilian partners.

There is a business expression in Brasil, "para os Inglês". This is when you set up one business with your foreign partner, but the real business goes on via another company owned by you. It dates back to when the British Navy enforced the ban on slavery by blockading Recife (the main slave port) .... the Brasilians built a second port 50km or so south. Recife became 'para os Inglês'.

I saw an example of this in action in my corporate time. My British multi national bought a Brasilian company for $300M. Couldn't make it work. Sold it back to the original owner for $130M five years later. I subsequently got to know this guy. Nice guy etc but I am sure he set up a second company to cut out ths first. Market conditions were difficult post-acquisition, and the British company did have a change of mgt and strategy, so it did make business sense to get out too.

As they also say, "Brasil is not for beginners".

It keeps me in caipirinhas when I am there.
 
Chances are that it wasn't even him anyway but someone managing his social media. Just needs a quiet word about why that might cause offence and move on. Not sure why it has to be a massive drama, clearly he wasn't intending to be a massive racist.
 
masquesmog said:
I am just the token Gringo, with some international links for my Brasilian partners.

There is a business expression in Brasil, "para os Inglês". This is when you set up one business with your foreign partner, but the real business goes on via another company owned by you. It dates back to when the British Navy enforced the ban on slavery by blockading Recife (the main slave port) .... the Brasilians built a second port 50km or so south. Recife became 'para os Inglês'.

I saw an example of this in action in my corporate time. My British multi national bought a Brasilian company for $300M. Couldn't make it work. Sold it back to the original owner for $130M five years later. I subsequently got to know this guy. Nice guy etc but I am sure he set up a second company to cut out ths first. Market conditions were difficult post-acquisition, and the British company did have a change of mgt and strategy, so it did make business sense to get out too.

As they also say, "Brasil is not for beginners".

It keeps me in caipirinhas when I am there.
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Interesting stuff mate. I actually spent a few months in Recife. Loved it.

Good luck with everything and let me know when you head back over. Never know might be there at the same time.
 
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