Cattermole and Agnew?
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uncle_rico
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Tbf this story has come from Bailey, so I'd say there's little chance. He's the king of clikcbait!
viv_andersons_nana
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Have I? That’s news to me.
Appointing Cattermole would be quite mad IMO. He has little experience and hasn’t had a chance to properly learn yet. Throwing him in now would be bizarre.
All I said earlier was imagine if he took over and we won a few. It could happen. That’s sort of the point. We’re all so sure it wouldn’t work but what if it did, or what if it went reasonably well. What those so sure it’d be a disaster do then?
It’s people getting angry or wound up about something that hasn’t happened and probably won’t happen that interests me TBH.
And what I said earlier is not the same as defending something. It’s nothing like it at all.
indeedido
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We would have, but Gibson won't do it.
I am absolutely confident even he won't do that.
newyddion
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January 2023Giles an Watmore => keep
7 Jason Knight - Derby - £ - Out of contract in the summer
10 Bojan Miovski - Aberdeen - £ Cost £540k in July 2022
11 Cameron Archer - Aston Villa - Loan
12 Kai Wagner - Philadelphia Union - Free
22 Josh Campbell - Hibernian - £ Free July 2021
Summer 2023
Free Agents
Tommy Smith - Jack Stacey - Bournemouth?
Jonny Howson - Lewis Travis - Blackburn?
Duncan Watmore - Antonie Semenyo - Bristol?
Plus.. four loans?
Todd Cantwell out of contract in the summer.. might be worth a tug
£10m still burning a hole in our pockets..
newyddion
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I think the worst possible scanarios would be a highly rated coach telling his players he would be off at the first sign of another job.. then he slags off the players, the recruitment, the club and the fans and he fails to pull in 1 point per game after bigging himself up as a top six premier league manager!
Seeing a local lad who’s been though the academy getting a chance to manage will be something pretty special. He has just as much chance to succeed as any other untried and untested manager.. he will be exposed to all the dangers and pitfalls as a more experienced manager also.
You can only play 11 players at any one time and the the maximum you can take away is 3 points. Until January we have this entire group of players and that will hardly change in any case.
newyddion
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Have we got any fans that have spent 10 years being a captain at premier league level? We might not have a Tony Mowbray willing to rip up his contract with Celtic and put his professional reputation on the line, maybe there isn’t a Neil Warnock ready to come out of retirement to save the club.
I was mental when I though it was best to stick with Warnock, mental when I thought Wilder was no good.. Cattermole wouldn’t be My first choice tbh.
Away from all the young guns and exotic unknowns.. Allardyce, Benitez, Dyche, Ranieri, Hodgson? Who is that next Mowbray or Warnock?
Cattermole has experience of successfully fighting relegation battles.. as far as transferable skills go, that might just be what we need!
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Jonny Ingbar
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And this is the thing isn't it, whilst I'm not advocating him for the job it's very obvious that he has built a strong reputation at the club, in a relatively short space of time.
Yet many fans, if not most, judge his suitability on what they remember from his time as a player, which is understandable.
It's similarly applied to any of the candidates really, within the game the reputation of each will be well known, more so after interviews and that's the part that we don't see, as much as we'd love to.
Yet many fans, if not most, judge his suitability on what they remember from his time as a player, which is understandable.
It's similarly applied to any of the candidates really, within the game the reputation of each will be well known, more so after interviews and that's the part that we don't see, as much as we'd love to.
indeedido
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If he has built a strong reputation at a club whose judgement is the thing being strongly questioned by all but the sycophantic.
He has zero relevant coaching or managerial experience. It would be a ludicrous appointment only a buffoon would make.
Jonny Ingbar
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You keep making the mistake that your opinion is fact, it isn't.
It would be a crazy appointment, I agree on that point, but he hasn't obviously created a very good impression, on a day-to-day basis, across a number of people at the club.
Are you saying that everyone's judgement is flawed? And if so, how do you know this?
indeedido
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I am saying that I have no faith in Gibson's judgement and no faith whatsoever in Scott. They are the only ones making the call and their judgement to date is most seriously flawed.
I have absolutely no idea whether the U18's are knocked out with Cattermole, nor is it remotely relevant re the current vacancy.
If the current players think he's great after a week that would make no difference either.
In my opinion, he is absolutely not qualified to do the role.
It is very clear when I am expressing an opinion, versus stating facts. I'm really clear about the difference.
Jonny Ingbar
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I think everyone one here is abundantly clear when it comes your to entirely negative opinion of Gibson.
I'm not sure what evidence you rely on to feel the same about Scott?
And you didn't answer the question; do you think everyone's judgement at the club is flawed, or just those two?
indeedido
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It is not entirely negative, as I have repeatedly posted over the years and still post about now; but it is entirely negative about his capability to run the club now.
Scott was a scout at Norwich, with an unremarkable record; not a Director of Football (sorry "Head" of Football). His record at Boro through 2 windows has been awful. The shambles around the manager just builds the picture.
I did answer the question. I made it clear I think the 2 decision makers (Gibson and Scott) judgement is flawed. I'm not bothered about others there re this appointment.
By the way how do you know Cattermole has built such a "strong reputation"?
Jonny Ingbar
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Not entirely negative, in which alternate reality are you referring to, because it can't be this one?
Can you repeat one positive comment, because I can't remember reading any?
I respect your opinion, I really do, but you seem to see anyone who doesn't agree with it as a sycophant etc.
Nosmo-King
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Frankly there is one person to blame for the almighty mess we find ourselves in - and that’s Gibbo. He may soon have his finest hour - appointing Catts. It is unfair to do so in my opinion.
To me Gibbo hasn’t covered himself in glory for many a long time. In an ideal world would I like to see a change of ownership? Yes. But Gibbo has screwed up the financial position so much this will not happen.
And before his defenders jump up and down with rage - yes I recognise and appreciate what he did for the club - such achievements are long in the past.
As Indeedido has eloquently explained, financially we are a basket case with an indebtedness matched by only a few clubs.
Some posters categorically refuse to see Gibbo in anything other than a saviour and bright light. His record in recent seasons is open to question and the recruitment process is, frankly, a bit of a joke.
Perhaps- just perhaps- 5 managers in 5 years doesn’t sit comfortably with a potential manager as far from the best chairman in the league he has now turned into a hire and fire man. That’s the reality
To me Gibbo hasn’t covered himself in glory for many a long time. In an ideal world would I like to see a change of ownership? Yes. But Gibbo has screwed up the financial position so much this will not happen.
And before his defenders jump up and down with rage - yes I recognise and appreciate what he did for the club - such achievements are long in the past.
As Indeedido has eloquently explained, financially we are a basket case with an indebtedness matched by only a few clubs.
Some posters categorically refuse to see Gibbo in anything other than a saviour and bright light. His record in recent seasons is open to question and the recruitment process is, frankly, a bit of a joke.
Perhaps- just perhaps- 5 managers in 5 years doesn’t sit comfortably with a potential manager as far from the best chairman in the league he has now turned into a hire and fire man. That’s the reality
Cress
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Not saying I think he should be manager necessarily, however I thought he spoke well on Tees:
www.bbc.co.uk
Red Alert: A Middlesbrough FC Podcast - Lee Cattermole - BBC Sounds
The former Boro midfielder spoke to Mark Drury about his career.
www.bbc.co.uk
indeedido
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Read the "Where's Gibson" thread.Not entirely negative, in which alternate reality are you referring to, because it can't be this one?
Can you repeat one positive comment, because I can't remember reading any?
I respect your opinion, I really do, but you seem to see anyone who doesn't agree with it as a sycophant etc.
That idiot zzzz calls me a hypocrite for me speaking up for Gibson back in April and saying that he had got the big calls right since 2020 (to April 2022)
I wasn't a hypocrite and did explain. Look in particular at post 92, which I will copy here for you:
"I presume I have answered you Roofie. I hope so.
The problem is that people want to either be all one thing, or all another.
Gibson was fantastic 93-06.
He was genuine financial saviour 12-16 with equity injection.
He has been football disaster 06-22, with exception of a 14-16 with Karanka.
20-21 he made decisions to keep us out of League 1 and create an opportunity to go again.
2022 he has messed that opportunity up quite spectacularly.
Overall I want new chapters under different ownership.
It does not stop me recognising the brilliant impact Gibson had in his early chapters and saying so.
It doesn't stop me being grateful for him finally converting some debt to equity in 2012-2016 and keeping us going.
Nor does it stop me being encouraged by things that look like positive change, like Karanka or clearing the decks through 2021-22.
But they don't stop me arriving at my position. He is the problem, not our hope."
I don't expect you to have read everything I have posted (it was you who said you had), but I have been very straight and consistent about Gibson.
I don't care whether you agree with me or not. I realise we diametrically oppose each other re Gibson and his position.
Message boards breed disagreement as both facts and opinions are shared. That's healthy and I don't remotely expect to be in agreement with everyone. I mostly don't engage when I disagree.
You are one of a number of posters who, in my opinion, only ever want to see the best in Gibson and see criticism of him as a knife into the club we all love. It is not.
I used to revere Gibson, but since 2006 I have opened my eyes.
Gibson is not the club, much as he would have us all think he is. The club was here long, long before him and will be long, long after him.
Jonny Ingbar
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To be accurate I've explained why I think Gibson has made mistakes recently and I try to judge the way the club is managed objectively, but in good faith too.
This board, and social media in general, is awash with criticism and everyone's am expert when it comes to the way the club is run.
Is part of being a fan and with it is an emotional response that can often taint opinions.
With respect think you're jaundiced in your views around Gibson, most likely in the same way you no doubt feel I'm the opposite of that.
Let's see what the next manager brings and that is someone who can get the team moving back in the right direction.